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Author Topic: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.  (Read 682 times)

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The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« on: October 05, 2018, 03:05:08 AM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

True praise- is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
True building- is the building up of one's own mind.
True giving- is the giving of alms and merits.
True winning- is the winning of the (fear of) the next world.
Quote from: Lo-wada Sangarava
A Sinhalese poem of the 15th century
by
Venerable Vidagama Maitreya Mahathera
Translated by: Bhikkhu K. Nanananda

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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2018, 03:10:16 AM »
Is this correct, Deva gus , so that it is praiseworthy and show it under the Noble Ones Domain?
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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2018, 03:14:10 AM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Avannaraha Sutta:

"One possessing four qualities is deposited in hell as if brought there. What four? (1) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one speaks praise of one [better: what !] who [/that] deserves dispraise. (2) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one speaks dispraise of one who deserves praise. (3) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one believes a matter that merits suspicion. (4) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one is suspicious about a matter that merits belief. Possessing these four qualities one is deposited in hell as if brought there.

"One possessing four [other] qualities is deposited in heaven as if brought there. What four? (1) Having investigated and scrutinized, one speaks dispraise of one who deserves dispraise. (2) Having investigated and scrutinized, one speaks praise of one who deserves praise. (3) Having investigated and scrutinized, one is suspicious about a matter that merits suspicion. (4) Having investigated and scrutinized, one believes a matter that merits belief. Possessing these four qualities one is deposited in heaven as if brought there."

Addition: The object is a person here (chosen by the translator), but it is better to object deeds: by body, speech and if able to trace, mind as well.
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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2018, 03:38:56 AM »
True praise-
is to put real Buddha-goodness received into action

True building-
is to secure ones connection/path to liberation.

True giving-
is to abound all of what is not ones own, a burden, and uphold what is true.

True winning-
is having done the task, nothing further for (any) world. Released.
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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2018, 04:23:52 AM »
Okasa vandami bhante, here is my opinion.

True praise-
is to put real Buddha-goodness received into action

This is 'true action', not 'true praise'. Praise means praise in general sense. The praise of Dhamma and Sangha also  indirectly included in the 'praise of the qualities of the buddha'.

True building-
is to secure ones connection/path to liberation.

This is same as the verse and no difference if we think carefully.

True giving-
is to abound all of what is not ones own, a burden, and uphold what is true.

What you meant was 'giving up', not 'giving'. Giving means giving/offering in general sense.

True winning-
is having done the task, nothing further for (any) world. Released.
This is same as the verse and no any difference.

Vandami.

*  I think bhante is believing in what he himself has opposed a little while ago (eg: 'bad perosn never be good .' verse) and is trying to disprove everything I say.  :)

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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2018, 05:09:32 AM »
Your opinions..., yes Deva gus .

Familar to the Vinaya, the commentaries: Which value have own opinions, of what value are they.

How trustworthy in sources to relay on, are own opinions, own ideas?
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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2018, 06:31:01 AM »
Okay okay okay,
Khamatu me bhante,
Vandami.

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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2018, 06:41:55 AM »
Approving by speech, if actually not approving, is cheating, possible a deliberated lie.

Asking for forgiviness not seeing a transgression as well.

Bowing down to what might be worthy to do, yet not following what it advices, is putting excrement on the head of the Buddha and leading others to follow such ways, if actually holding ones stand.

Only householder give to trade, only housholder accept gifts for a trade.

Is it proper for a wanderer, living on alms from the land, to bow down for a trade, confused wanderer gus ?
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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2018, 06:47:08 AM »
Okay okay okay,
Khamatu me bhante,
Vandami.

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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2018, 07:11:17 AM »
* Johann : "okay" toward an object of respect is very impolite, is the speech of the lanes, gangs and fish-marked, homies and uninstructed childs: total ignorant, just to inform.

One who really praises and respects does what is proper to do. A child in a school may bow down, say yes, beg for pardon... 1.000 times, but will not learn anything, even the corrupt teacher, happy aboutbeing given favor, let it join the next higher level.

Bowing down to the "Buddha" does not help anything as long not having left home or started the task in advances, having seen, is based on defilements and woreshipping Mara in most cases.
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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2018, 07:25:22 AM »
Okasa,

* Johann : "okay" toward an object of respect is very impolite, is the speech of the lanes, gangs and fish-marked, homies and uninstructed childs: total ignorant, just to inform.

Actually I didn't know that because I'm new to English language.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante !

One who really praises and respects does what is proper to do. A child in a school may bow down, say yes, beg for pardon... 1.000 times, but will not learn anything, even the corrupt teacher, happy about being given favor, let it join the next higher level.

I'll try to do as much as possible.


Vandami.

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Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2018, 04:16:43 PM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

“If a monk or a nun, a devout man or a devout woman, lives in accordance with the Dhamma, is correct in his life, walks in conformity with the Dhamma — it is he who rightly honors, reverences, venerates, holds sacred and reveres the Perfect One (tathagata) with the worthiest homage.”
Quote from: Maha Parinibbāna Sutta

About devotion in a broader spectrum, this might be of use, to do not fall into certain bias: Devotion in Buddhism and Respect, Confidence and Patient
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October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

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October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

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October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.

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