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2019 Dec 14 10:57:23
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2019 Dec 14 08:57:33
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2019 Dec 14 07:04:00
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2019 Dec 13 10:50:10
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2019 Dec 13 09:47:44
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Johann: "As he is recollecting the Sangha, his mind is calmed, and joy arises; the defilements of his mind are abandoned, just as when clothing is cleansed through the proper technique. "

2019 Dec 11 11:31:42
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2019 Dec 11 10:32:13
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2019 Dec 11 06:24:15
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2019 Dec 11 05:12:53
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2019 Dec 10 21:14:57
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2019 Dec 05 09:56:53
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2019 Dec 05 09:56:09
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2019 Dec 05 09:46:00
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2019 Dec 05 09:14:32
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2019 Dec 04 20:16:08
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2019 Dec 04 06:31:50
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2019 Dec 04 06:08:13
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2019 Dec 04 01:50:53
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2019 Dec 01 13:29:37
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2019 Nov 30 21:38:39
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2019 Nov 30 21:30:49
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2019 Nov 30 19:04:39
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2019 Nov 30 06:46:37
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2019 Nov 29 14:25:08
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2019 Nov 29 14:19:23
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2019 Nov 28 20:08:22
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2019 Nov 28 12:52:24
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2019 Nov 27 23:19:47
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2019 Nov 27 22:59:18
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2019 Nov 27 10:20:04
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2019 Nov 27 10:16:58
Khemakumara: May it be a path -and fruitful after-the-Newmoon-uposatha-day

2019 Nov 26 20:55:22
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2019 Nov 26 19:35:55
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2019 Nov 26 10:53:53
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2019 Nov 26 09:24:16
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2019 Nov 26 00:07:54
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2019 Nov 25 23:46:46
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2019 Nov 24 13:04:02
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Author Topic: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?  (Read 2565 times)

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Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« on: October 06, 2018, 11:45:58 AM »
from the Talk box today:

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Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

Quote from: Johann
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.

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Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.

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If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

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Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

One   should not make an effort everywhere,
   should not be another's hireling,
   should not live dependent on another,
   should not go about
      as a trader in the Dhamma.

It's good to read the sutta often. The King can be also an inwardly.

It's total no problem to act or ask on behave of Noble Ones, honest, serious, those not intetested for or against the world, not interested in fighting something outwardly or seeking of justice or revange.

If acting on behave, asking on behave of others who might not be able to do so directly or would appear as acting improper, to help, assist, serve for Noble purpose is highly meritious.

Just be sure that not acting as a hireling or trader.

Althought a certain monk would not act in defeat or personal wishing to punish such a "ugly" person, the kamma one accumulates either as King or as someone working like a agent or even double agent for wordily gain, is not a lite and very harmful for one.

Be always honest and open, what ever problem their might be, for such a person is protected by the Devas and the Gems while those impure acting are sure to get the wage of foolish deeds very quick. Don't hide, or try to hide behind something you aren't.

That counts as well for Bhikkhus and recluse who walk with hidden face in householder domains. Total ugly and not a little to inspire faith or make it firm.

Dogs bit only those who show signs of fear or ill-will. Fear has a reason. If ones faith in kamma is really firm, ones virtue has no faults and that is why a virtuous person can approach ever kind of gathering, housholders, noble soldiers, Brahmans, Devas, Samanas, Bhikkhus... upright, self-confident.

Are there certain doubts left, wanderer gus ? Is it understandable and can the reasons and aims of this advices be seen?

Also in regard of possible skilful or unskilful prompted (deliberately) or unprompted (reacting) causes and their related effects, or if made defuse or based on strong diṭṭha (samma or miccha, or beyond)?

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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2018, 11:53:15 AM »
There are a lot of encouragements to help Bhikkhus and those worthy to serve: organise them access, helping to deliver, act as messenger...

Such it not only proper, a duty, if in a certain formal relation, but a very fruitful field of merits.

(Western/modern teachers, the Niganthas/Jains, call it mostly unskilful and modern/western people find service and running for worthy purpose and worthy people also as "not to do", but simply to cut of the connection between borderlands and Noble Domain. So be careful = watch the frames of references, your, not try to judge others.)
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2018, 12:46:34 PM »
Areas and Topics specially dedicated for acting and asking on behave of others (inviting to join merits...)



At least, not to forget, the whole acting here, wether as lay person, visitor, member, or as novice, Samana, Bhikkhu, all actions are wisely performed as a service for the field worthy of gifts, the Noble Sangha and it's conventional representative, the Savaka Sangha of Bhikkhus of the eight directions and their good following.

In specific cases, one might just open a topic and it would be placed as proper as possible also if maybe "wrong" placed.

Of cource the Ven. Members of the Sangha of the eight directions are invited and given to make use of all possibilities without the need of doubt wether it is given or not.

Also their following and interested people.

Look invitations on many places here.

"There is nothing good if not done by oneself"
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2018, 01:04:28 PM »
Sila first! If having or observing silas, then what ever giving will fill up the tank full.

If wishing to make just Dāna or service in frames of giving without duty for it, and up to certain gain this or that, that is fine as well, but consider that there are many, many places which are of "need" of such and living on performing generosity in exchange and you may easier gain desired there, what ever seeked after in the realms of the worlds.
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2018, 02:13:58 PM »
Okasa bhante,

Actually what I meant by "on behalf of future/other people" is not about becoming an agent of someone but is something like below.

Eg:
Asking a question that I currently don't need but for the benefit of future new comers or other members.
Posting something to make the forum helpful or enthusiastic to others.
...etc.

Vandami Bhante.

*  Bhante alaways suspect me.  :)

Sila first! If having or observing silas, then what ever giving will fill up the tank full.

Vandami Bhante.

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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2018, 03:54:48 PM »
* Johann : Everybody (would/will) suspect you, as long wanderer gus runs around in disguise, acts childish and is not able to introduce and show himself in proper ways, stay either an object to produce bad kamma for others or produces himself in this way and in both cases harms both, himself and others to give space for wrong views to grow.

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Asking a question that I currently don't need but for the benefit of future new comers or other members.
Posting something to make the forum helpful or enthusiastic to others.

As told, what ever Dana and preperation for others to be able to access Noble Domain is good. The more based on Silas, the more a sacrify upwardly and not so much downwardly or for equal, the better. If he likes to prepare the forum that it is better accessable for those speaking Sinhalese, such would be a great service. It thinking to post not given what everybody can google or things not given and in householder domain, better not.

What ever Wanderer Gus feels inspired.

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Generally, for one in practice, it's better to make services ("where can I help, what can I do") than to enjoy certain freedom one does not really have now and forgetting ones duties. (See topics like: FAQ über sangham.net (für Haushälter) )

(Generaly see also topics like: Association with pets - Associated rebith? , Sozialisieren, mit wem und warum | Socialize with who, why | ធ្វើសង្គមមូបនីយកម្ម , Association with the Devas - associated Rebirth . And the five proper times/objects of gifts: best orientation for everyone till Arahatahood on where, fro whom and when to make gifts.)
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2018, 04:05:03 PM »
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Asking a question that I currently don't need but for the benefit of future new comers or other members.

Wanderer gus , again in detail on subject on this:

That is actually costume, althought western modern find it childish.

Even Arahat cross-question each others, to increase their own skills and to perform a borderland for others.

Yes, totally. It was spoken about the matter some times ago and maybe my person can link the topic.

But, How ever, in certain areas, for medias, or to win costumers, such has become like actors livelihood. There are monks and lay teacher who train artificial shows to earn a living. Such is ugly and entertainer-livelihood, often leading to low realms.


Addition:

It has been discussed in Unzufriedenheit mit dem Heiligen Leben (Schüler, Lehrerpflichten & Mitgefühl) in relation with duties of disciple and teacher.

It's not good when one performs such question and answer session, thinking "I am smart and will help", especially when not really smart and not really a giver yet. Better here to see it as a training for oneself.

Also in cases when asking, and others tell things one might know, one should not think "why does he tell me that, I know. Does he think I am a fool?", like it happens here also. Sometimes things are said that others might find borderlands. Does wanderer gus see and understand this aspect here?

Nurishing by questiin and answer sessions keeps not only vital but alive. If people think that they could google if wishing to understand, if people at large think that they can come from outer lands to Noble Domain without Nissaya and going into dependency, without Sangha, then this Dhamma-Vinaya has died. The Dhamma-gotschi has been gone and no more field of merits to access over this borderlands is a avaliable in this world.
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2018, 04:32:39 PM »
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Asking a question that I currently don't need but for the benefit of future new comers or other members.
Even Arahat cross-question each others, to increase their own skills and to perform a borderland for others.
Yes, totally.

That was what I did in some of my posts.
But there is a disadvantage of it.
I had to get called as patriot, metta trader, household-domain-questioner, asura,  ..etc.

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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2018, 04:43:45 PM »
Oh you poor mistreaded wanderer... you break the heart of everyone  ^-^

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Also in cases when asking, and others tell things one might know, one should not think "why does he tell me that, I know. Does he think I am a fool?", like it happens here also. Sometimes things are said that others might find borderlands. Does wanderer gus see and understand this aspect here?

How should my person ever write as fast his mind changes from kusala to akusala to defused...
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