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Where and what to practice - Was und wo ausüben?
« on: October 08, 2018, 01:39:40 AM »
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„Dhamma ist einfach wie dies hier: erklären in Parabeln, da das Dhamma nichts an sich hat. Es ist weder rund, noch hat es Ecken. Es gibt keinen Weg, mit ihm bekannt zu werden, außer durch Vergleiche wie diese hier. Wenn du das hier verstehst, verstehst du das Dhamma.“

„Denke nicht, dass das Dhamma weit weg von dir ist. Es ist in dir drinnen; es handelt von dir. Sieh nur: Eine Minute fröhlich, die nächste Minute traurig, zufrieden, verärgert über diese Person, dann jene Person hassend: Das alles ist Dhamma…“
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Re: Where and what to practice - Was und wo ausüben?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2018, 01:46:54 AM »
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RÄUDE

Buddha sagte: „Mönche, habt ihr nicht jeden Abend den Schakal hier herumlaufen sehen? Habt ihr ihn nicht gesehen? Still stehend leidet er. Herumlaufend leidet er. Sich setzend leidet er. Wenn er sich hinlegt, leidet er. Wenn er in die Spalte eines Baumes kriecht, leidet er. Sich in eine Höhle zurückziehend, fühlt er sich krank wie stets. Er leidet seiner Gedanken wegen, 'Hier stehen ist nicht gut‘, 'Sitzen ist nicht gut‘, 'Hinlegen ist nicht gut‘, 'Dieser Busch ist nicht gut‘, 'Dieser Baumspalt ist nicht gut‘, 'Diese Höhle ist nicht gut‘. So bleibt er die ganze Zeit am Laufen. In Wahrheit hat der Schakal die Räude. Sein Unwohlsein kommt nicht von dem Busch oder der Baumspalte, oder der Höhle, dem Sitzen, dem Stehen oder Hinlegen. Es kommt von der Räude.“

Ihr Mönche seid genau so. Euer Unwohlsein kommt von euren falschen Sichtweisen. Ihr haltet an Ideen fest, die giftig sind, und deshalb seid ihr gequält. Ihr strengt euch nicht an, Herr über eure Sinne zu werden, und kritisiert lieber andere Dinge. Ihr wisst nicht, was in euch selbst vorgeht. Wenn ihr hier in Wat Nong Pah Pong seid, leidet ihr. Ihr geht nach Amerika und leidet. Ihr geht nach London und leidet. Ihr geht ins Wat Bung Wai und leidet. Ihr geht in irgend ein anders Kloster und leidet. Wo immer ihr hingeht, leidet ihr. Das kommt von der falschen Sichtweise, die noch immer in euch ruht. Eure Sichtweisen sind falsch und ihr haltet an Ideen fest, die Gift für eure Herzen sind. Wo immer ihr hingeht, leidet ihr. Ihr seid wie der Schakal.

Jedoch einmal von der Räude geheilt, könnt ihr entspannt sein, wo immer ihr hingeht: Entspannt in der Ferne, entspannt in der Wildnis. Ich denke sehr oft an das und bleibe daran, euch dies zu lehren, weil dieser Punkt des Dhammas ein sehr nützlicher ist.

MADEN

Wenn wir rechte Sichtweise in unserem Herzen gedeihen lassen, können wir entspannt sein, wo immer wir sind. Es liegt daran, dass wir immer noch falsche Sichtweisen haben, immer noch an Gedanken festhalten, die giftig sind, dass wir nicht zur Entspannung kommen. In solch einer Weise festzuhalten, ist wie eine Made zu sein. Dort, wo sie lebt, ist es schmutzig; ihre Nahrung ist schmutzig. Ihre Nahrung würden wir nicht als Nahrung bezeichnen, aber es scheint passend für eine Made zu sein. Versuch es, nimm einen Stock und schubse sie aus den Exkrementen, an denen sie sich nährt, und beobachte, was passiert. Sie windet sich und windet sich, voller Streben, den Haufen Exkremente, an dem sie zuvor war, wieder zu erreichen. Nur dann fühlt sie sich recht.

Das ist dasselbe mit euch Mönchen und Novizen. Ihr habt nach wie vor falsche Sichtweisen. Lehrer kommen und geben euch Anweisungen, wie man zu rechten Sichtweisen kommt, aber es fühlt sich für euch nicht recht an. Ihr fahrt damit fort, zu euren Exkrementhaufen zurück zu gelangen. Rechte Sichtweise scheint nicht recht zu sein, da ihr an euren alten Haufen Exkremente gewöhnt seid. So lange die Made den Schmutz nicht sieht, in dem sie lebt, kann sie nicht entkommen. Dasselbe ist mit uns. So lange wir die Gefahren in den Dingen nicht erkennen, können wir ihnen nicht entkommen. Das macht es schwierig, zu praktizieren.
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Re: Where and what to practice - Was und wo ausüben?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2018, 02:05:06 AM »
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When ever you have found a borderland (puñña vatthu), stay in it. No matter how much others seems to try to send you away. No matter how much your defilments argue to leaf, no matter how much Mara tries to confess you that you gained the Noble domain.

If it happens, that you fall appart, put all effort into entering again.
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Re: Where and what to practice - Was und wo ausüben?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2018, 09:34:16 AM »
What is a boarderland, how to recognice?

A monastery, traditional Wat (pi: vatta) is an outwardly Boarderland, sometimes called Wat-Aram, (derived from ārammaṇa). Vatta means tradition or duty, so a place of practicing traditional/fulfill duties (in this case like the wise praise). Ārāma could be explained as means area, space, and Ārammaṇa als "living, or existence place", where certain identification gets space, where the mind can dwell. One could "translate" it as "tradition awarness".

If wishing to find a Wat, monastery, an area which can be used as boderland outwardly, it has to start inwardly by having faith into certain factors and characteristics a borderland, outwardly by form and signs (speech by sound and gesture), and inwardly by remembering them.

There are three main-indices which pointing toward borderlands. Boderlands can be also understood as "access-concentration".

What ever can be used as boderland, whether outwardly (place, room, country, single person, group, society) and inwardly, ways of thinking and perceptions upholds and praises:

signs of

The Sublime Buddha (representing the Noble Domain, teacher toward it)

The Sublime well-gone/following Sangha of Bhikkhus (the following temporary or fully have left home)

The Sublime Dhamma (the teaching of what should be done/associated with and what should be avoided to do/assosociate with it, to reach/stay in boarderlands and to reach and remain in Noble Domain)

  • Sila (abstaining from taking existence of beings, abstaining of taking what is not given, abstaining from abuse for sensuality, abstaining from speaking {incl. giving outward order or approve by gesture, signs, letters...} what is not true, abstaining from indulgence of nurishing on what causes heedlessness)
  • Generosity (giving, gross (material, physical) or fine (e.g. mental, intelectual, time, skills...)
  • Going forth (into homeless state, meaning leaving what ever kind of trade behind to maintain ones identity)
  • Rendering help for parents (respecting those having prepared ones coming into being and recognizing the goodness and fulfilling the duties toward them; this incl. teacher, leader, gods, priests, contemplatives, according to ones dependency/society one feeds of/got/gets feeded for good way forward)


If such a boarderland, and it's importand to maintain, gain access and association outwardly as long no foodhold in the Noble domain, is not traceable around one, one should not waste time even a minute to go on searching for it and focus on getting free of debts to be able to get closer or even totally change ones dwelling in such borderlands, where right views is uphold and no topic to doubt it.

Again, what is right view:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

He has right view and is not warped in the way he sees things: 'There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are brahmans & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.'

A "boarderland" is a "state" between home and homelessness, outer lands and noble domain, outwardly and inwardly. Remember the 10 anussati or reflections. As one might understand, to remember something, it requires to have seen it, to have erected it previously. So for the most this perceptions are still defilet.

To get probably best perceptions of what moral (sīla), generosity (dāna), and the virtuos equal that of Devas are, they need to be practiced. If having not performed, developed this areas around boarderlands, if not having done merits, in times where cut of current existence and change into new, one can get totaly lost, and may no more find borderlands at all for a long long time.

Be clear that it a matter of strong condition causes, to be touched by such, yet where possible dwelling in the middle out outer lands. And it's because one has cut himself totally off, that even when getting in contact, even if touched, will not take it serious and remains on his sinking island, made of pride and conceit, woven by defilements, feeling total secure where his mind resist, where he/she dwells in and on.

May you and all beings be touched by it on whatever small rest of upanissaya, lasting previous and current conditions toward heal and liberation. May the Devas forward this possibility to "catch awarness", "catch" this "vatta-ārammaṇa" and by dwelling in it rejoice having accessed a boarderland here and now for oneself.

Anumodana (take part on) puñña (the merits/rejoicment/delightment) kusala (in what is skilfull/good/conductive for long term happiness!)
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October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.

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