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2019 Jan 19 01:28:38
Johann: "A monk with admirable people    as friends — who's reverential, respectful, doing what his friends advise — mindful, alert, attains step by step    the ending of all fetters." iti 17

2019 Jan 18 16:31:13
Johann: ភនតេ មុនី ការភ្ជាប់សំឡេងភ្ជាប់

2019 Jan 18 13:45:40
Johann: Guess all is now proper sorted in the correspondig topic. If something got "lost", put wrongely, may one let it be known.

2019 Jan 18 10:34:49
Johann: Reading, translating the many forzmguides.

2019 Jan 18 10:34:01
Johann: Mudita. Yet much new, much to learn, much to explore: patient is importand, and observing ways of doing things.

2019 Jan 18 07:29:08
Cheav Villa: But not yet finished, .. touched enter  ^-^ and..

2019 Jan 18 07:25:06
Cheav Villa: Bhante Muni actually said.. really enjoyed of dwelling here  _/\_

2019 Jan 18 06:42:04
Johann: much uddhacca-kukkucca, or?

2019 Jan 18 06:10:12
Johann: Bhante Muni wrote: "I, Brah Karuna, Atma-peap, am greating ñati ñoma (former blood relatives) to the extend of respecting goodwill (metta), I, Brah Karuna, Atma-peap, really..."

2019 Jan 18 06:01:10
Johann: One easy becomes a browser (neak quial hungry)

2019 Jan 18 05:56:43
Cheav Villa:  :D :D :D _/\_

2019 Jan 18 05:55:26
Johann: Atma is now very busy in cutting, moving, mergle... maybe slowly and with mindfulness: where am I? Whats the topic?...  :)

2019 Jan 18 04:38:03
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំុ Bhante Muny 

2019 Jan 18 04:20:34
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 18 04:19:09
Muni: ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាអាត្មាភាព សូមនមស្សការនិងចម្រើនពរញាតិញោម ដោយសេចក្ដីគោរពរាប់អាន ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាអាត្មាភាពពិត

2019 Jan 18 03:39:39
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណ​ព្រះអង្គ​ បាននិមន្តចូលរួមវិភាគទាន នៅទីនេះ _/\_

2019 Jan 18 03:39:00
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំ​ព្រះអង្គ​មុនី :D _/\_

2019 Jan 17 16:22:47
Johann: Bhante Muni  _/\_

2019 Jan 17 12:59:11
Johann: So it's enought or would some broken Khmer Audio be of support, Nyom?

2019 Jan 17 09:20:36
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គBhante . ករុណាបានអាមអត្ថបទដែលព្រះអង្គបានផុសជាភាសាអង់គ្លេសនោះ បានយល់ខ្លះៗហេីយ :D :D

2019 Jan 17 06:45:05
Johann: Being become, appeare always where desired Why beings take birth, even in most worse existences and circumstances?

2019 Jan 17 06:41:35
Johann: One becomes and dwells there where one is inclinated (most anusayā), distinguished gross: 1. world, 1. Nibbana.

2019 Jan 17 06:20:33
Cheav Villa: លោកតាទើបចេះពន្យល់ ខ្ញុំ​មិនសូវ​ដឹងឆ្លើយទេ ^-^

2019 Jan 17 06:19:32
Cheav Villa: សូមចូលមកសរសេរសួរលោកតា នៅវត្ត​ កុំសួរតាមMessenger  :D

2019 Jan 17 06:18:35
Cheav Villa: សួស្តី​បងធី​ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 16:33:43
Cheav Villa: Things to read :D

2019 Jan 16 16:27:50
Cheav Villa: Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 15:28:02
Johann: The Story of Culekasataka (Maha Kassapa and his wife in former life)

2019 Jan 16 15:20:13
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Jan 16 04:07:43
Khemakumara: Nyom Chanroth

2019 Jan 16 02:09:37
Chanroth: សាធុសាធុសាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 16 02:07:10
Johann: ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក

2019 Jan 16 02:06:36
Chanroth: ជំរាបសួរ Moritz

2019 Jan 16 02:06:31
Johann: "Another day, another possibility. We don't know what tomorrow might be."

2019 Jan 15 19:41:08
Khemakumara: Nyom Moritz

2019 Jan 15 19:38:38
Moritz: Vandami Bhante (Khemakumara) _/\_

2019 Jan 15 17:13:16
Johann: Nyom Puthy, maybe this helps: ការរបៀបឆ្លេីយនៅក្នុង website .

2019 Jan 15 16:10:29
Ieng Puthy: ព្រះអង្គករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំុលាសិនហេីយ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

2019 Jan 15 16:07:58
Ieng Puthy: ករុណាគ្រាន់តែចូលអាន ករុណាមិនទាន់យល់ពីរបៀបឆ្លេីយនៅក្នុងwebsite នៅឡេីយទេ ព្រះអង្គ 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

2019 Jan 15 16:00:58
Johann: How ever one feels inspired, has joy, likes to give into.  How can I use the forum purposefully, for myself, as well as for others?

2019 Jan 15 15:57:55
Johann: No need to use all possibilities for merits for one alone but good to invite others to join and become more independend till free.

2019 Jan 15 15:04:39
Johann: no requirement to do all, merits step by step. "The path to nibbana is hard", they say, and don't do even little steps, Nyom. As inspired, its at least a working and concentration camp, Devas delight in creation, Devas having contr. over the creation of others.

2019 Jan 15 14:53:43
Cheav Villa: ព្រះអង្គការបកប្រែមកជាខ្មែរ  មានខុសច្រើនណាស់  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 14:49:16
Khemakumara: leng Puthy

2019 Jan 15 14:48:29
Khemakumara: Nyom leng Pitts

2019 Jan 15 14:45:35
Johann: There is a lot of new for many. If the Nyom Ladies like to help in translating here and there a little, it might be easier for khmer-speaking monks to get informed well.

2019 Jan 15 14:25:23
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គ Bhante Khemakumara

2019 Jan 15 13:33:34
Khemakumara: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 15 13:32:47
Khemakumara: Bhante Johann _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 13:27:53
Johann: Bhante Muni

2019 Jan 15 10:46:40
Johann: But a topic can be opened everywhere and can then be moved.

2019 Jan 15 10:45:27
Johann: There is also a Link to direct Requests for Teachings - link, so things get not lost.

2019 Jan 15 10:44:12
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាព្រះអង្គ🙏🏻អរព្រះគុុណ ព្រះអង្គ

2019 Jan 15 10:42:55
Johann: Good place is surely at  Dhammatalks - (dhamma desanā)

2019 Jan 15 10:35:06
Johann: Talkbox is not proper, just for greating and small-talk

2019 Jan 15 10:24:47
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ព្រះអង្គ តេីមានធម៌អ្វីដែលអាចកំចាត់ធម៌លោភៈល្អិតនៅក្នុងចិត្តបានដែរឬទេ ?ព្រះអង្គ Vandami Banthe 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

2019 Jan 15 10:21:37
Johann: Just open a new topic best, Nyom Puthy (requires some bhava-chanda)

2019 Jan 15 10:17:22
Johann: Nyom Puthy

2019 Jan 15 10:07:10
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គ Vandami Banthe

2019 Jan 15 10:01:15
Ieng Puthy: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻ករុណាថ្វាយបង្គំុ ព្រះអង្គមុនី! ករុណាមានសំណួរ១អំពី អនុស្ស័យកិលេសមាន៧ គឺ 1-កាមរាគានុស្ស័យ 2-ភវនុស្ស័យ3

2019 Jan 15 09:31:36
Cheav Villa:  :)  _/\_

2019 Jan 15 09:27:54
Chanroth: ខ្ញុំព្រះករុណាសូមថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គមុន្នី ពីរអាស្រមថ្មទូក_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 09:21:46
Chanroth: បាតជំរាបសួរបងស្រី ខ្ញុំមិនទាន់បានធ្វេីនៅឡេីយទេ ពីព្រោះខ្ញុំឈឺ បានធូហេីយ តែមិនទាន់បាត់ថ្លោះករនៅឡេីយ _/\_

2019 Jan 15 08:57:49
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គមុនី  _/\_

2019 Jan 15 07:34:19
Johann: Bhante Khemakumara

2019 Jan 15 05:57:47
Cheav Villa: តើពូកំពុងជួយការងារលោកតាមែនទេ?តើនៅអាស្រមមានកង្វះខាតអ្វីទេនៅពេលនេះ

2019 Jan 15 05:54:51
Cheav Villa: ជំរាបសួរពូចាន់រ័ត្ន _/\_

2019 Jan 15 01:12:12
Johann: And "we" wouldn't always know or find out but need to relay on one who know

2019 Jan 15 01:06:48
Johann: There are two kinds of sadness and happiness, of which one of each is conductive for liberation, one not.

2019 Jan 15 01:02:24
Mohan Gnanathilake: May we always be able to find out for ourselves how much attachment we accumulate, and whether this brings us happiness or sorrow! Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 15 01:00:52
Mohan Gnanathilake: Mögen wir immer  selbst herausfinden kӧnnen, wie viel Anhaftung wir anhäufen und ob  diese Anhaftung uns die Frӧhlichkeit oder  die Traurigkeit bringt! Dhamma Grüβe aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 13:52:41
Johann: Nyom Puthy. May you all have good Dhamma conversations with each other, don't be shy on that. Atma will go to rest.

2019 Jan 14 13:48:00
Johann: ញោម ចាន់រ័ត្ន

2019 Jan 14 12:49:01
Cheav Villa: អរព្រះគុណព្រះអង្គ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 12:36:20
Mohan Gnanathilake: May we possess the causes of blissfulness always! Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 12:35:18
Mohan Gnanathilake: Mӧgen wir immer die Ursachen der Glückseligkeit besitzen! Dhamma Grüβe  aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Jan 14 10:20:32
Johann: "នាងវិសាខា ក្រាបបង្គំទូលថា ថ្ងៃនេះខ្ញុំម្ចាស់រក្សាឧបោសថៈព្រះអង្គ។"...

2019 Jan 14 09:49:40
Chanroth:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 06:59:34
Cheav Villa: Jain-Upossathaកូណាមុិនទាន់យល់ន័យនៃពាក្យនេះទេ _/\_

2019 Jan 14 05:12:41
Johann: "មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួន"... មែន(sense)ទុក្ខឬមិន? Where?

2019 Jan 14 04:57:55
Johann: Buddha and Savaka do not teach Jain-Uposatha: អ្នកណា​មាទុក្ខ? , Sadhu

2019 Jan 14 04:50:21
Johann: ជាធម៌អសេង្ខបុគ្គល! មានទេមិនមាន ... ការនិយាយអំពីសត្វ។ ធម៌ទាំងអស់មានមូលហេតុ ដូច្នេះ: រឿងដំបូងនៅលើកដំបូង!

2019 Jan 14 04:21:59
Cheav Villa: មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួន ជាអនត្តាធម៌ ជាធម៌អសេង្ខបុគ្គល  _/\_

2019 Jan 14 04:16:00
Johann: មិនមែនជារបស់ខ្លួនទេ = មិនមែនទុក្ខទេ

2019 Jan 14 04:06:00
Johann: Nyom Puthy

2019 Jan 14 04:05:16
Johann: ទុក្ខំ អនិច្ចំ អន្តតា !

2019 Jan 14 02:18:42
Chanroth: ទុក្ខំ អនិច្ចំ អន្តតា

2019 Jan 13 15:16:49
Johann: First things first , very recommended, hearing the Uposatha of the Jains from the Villages all the time here.

2019 Jan 13 15:05:49
Johann: again and again coming back to Dhamma, Punja? Habits become destinies.

2019 Jan 13 14:53:42
Johann: coming back seems to be niccaŋ

2019 Jan 13 14:40:52
Cheav Villa: អនិច្ចំ *sgift*

2019 Jan 13 14:29:43
Ieng Puthy:  Chom reap leah , good bye🙏🏼

2019 Jan 13 14:18:50
Moritz: Chom reap leah, good bye _/\_

2019 Jan 13 14:11:50
Ieng Puthy: Hello Master Morithz🙏🏼

2019 Jan 13 14:07:24
Moritz: Hello Ieng Puthy _/\_

2019 Jan 13 14:07:16
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Jan 13 13:54:34
Ieng Puthy: ជំរាបសួរ បងចាន់រ័ត្ន Bong Chanroth 🙏🏼សូមបងឆាប់បានជាសះស្បេីយ

2019 Jan 13 13:49:26
Johann: Meister Moritz

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Author Topic: No-Dhamma agreements limiting ordination by old age  (Read 582 times)

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No-Dhamma agreements limiting ordination by old age
« on: January 10, 2019, 03:59:50 AM »
Again and again can it be seen, last time here , one of many, that especially the modern world afflicted Sanghas, pulling the holly life into modern standards, obiviously act on non-dhamma agreement.

Considering that those reports, aside of the many written "terms of use" here and there, are not necessarily based on missunderstandings, it has to been asked: "Is it true that you make community agreed limitations in regard of old age, set time and waiting lines...?

Venerable Sir's, how ever you may try to paint a picture of perfection for the sake of becoming and implementing your particular ideas, it's not for the sake of increasing faith in the faithless, ...

Acting in such ways, not only that it is not to underestimate kamma such an actor produces and an offense, it is of much harm, not only for the actor and the questioner, but also for many and out of this for the Sangha at all.

It would be good when the Venerables, especially of the most tradeful branches Ajahn Chah, Na-Uyana Aranya and Wat Metta ( Dhammatalks ) quickly deeply remember of what has been given by the Buddha and what are the many reasonings for discriminations similar like those you would be very annoyed at tell it foolish preoccupation.

How can you be dear to reject a person, 40, 50, even if 90, saying you are to old? Because improper lifelihood, living in improper dependency, requires certain regulations to work? Or what is a reasonable argument here? My person can hardly assume that you resits on very limits and a sick monk would cause  starving for the whole community. Probably loosing resources now used for entertaining crowd of lay people for fellows might be unpleasing...

It's simply shamefull this "young, strong and healthy"-strategy for the sake of becomming, annoying for everybody in Dhamma.
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Re: No-Dhamma agreements limiting ordination by old age
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 08:36:40 AM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

The Story of Thera Radha   

While residing at the Jetavana monastery, the Buddha uttered Verse (76) of this book, with reference to Thera Radha, who was at one time a poor old Brahmin.

Radha was a poor brahmin who stayed in the monastery doing small services for the bhikkhus. For his services he was provided with food and clothing and other needs, but was not encouraged to join the Order, although he had a strong desire to become a bhikkhu.

One day, early in the morning, when the Buddha surveyed the world with his supernormal power, he saw the poor old brahmin in his vision and knew that he was due for arahatship. So the Buddha went to the old man, and learned from him that the bhikkhus of the monastery did not want him to join the Order. The Buddha therefore called all the bhikkhus to him and asked them, "Is there any bhikkhu here who recollects any good turn done to him by this old man?" To this question, the Venerable Sariputta replied, "Venerable Sir, I do recollect an instance when this old man offered me a spoonful of rice." "If that be so," the Buddha said, "shouldn't you help your benefactor get liberated from the ills of life?" Then the Venerable Sariputta agreed to make the old man a bhikkhu and he was duly admitted to the Order. The Venerable Sariputta guided the old bhikkhu and the old bhikkhu strictly followed his guidance. Within a few days, the old bhikkhu attained arahatship.

When the Buddha next came to see the bhikkhus, they reported to him how strictly the old bhikkhu followed the guidance of the Venerable Sariputta. To them, the Buddha replied that a bhikkhu should be amenable to guidance like Radha, and should not resent when rebuked for any fault or failing.

Then the Buddha spoke in verse as follows:

Verse 76: One should follow a man of wisdom who rebukes one for one's faults, as one would follow a guide to some buried treasure. To one who follows such a wise man, it will be an advantage and not a disadvantage.

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while all worked hard of on doing merits on the hill , my person had a long talk with your old devoted servant, the old man already bended, who cares since long personal for Bhante, who came up the first time. He was hardly encouraged to join the holly life now, as still possible. Althought his heart totally bends in this direction he has much fear that the Sangha receives critic, he receives critic from villagers since he would possible not be able to go for alms but would need to receive food at the monastery. Telling and explaining that there is nothing wrong with it, he possible still has doubts and it would be good when Bhante, out of compassion, would try to take away uninformed doubts that he possible seeks for going forth, even now already old.
That Bhante might be informed timely, maybe Bhante Khemakumara can help in transfering the message, or who ever able to speak in this regard with him.

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Re: No-Dhamma agreements limiting ordination by old age
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 09:10:28 AM »
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Sadhu, kana wants to help upasaka to become a desciple of the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha.

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He is, Bhante, but no access to Brahmachariya as homeless yet and who could help others aside of giving what is made ones own. May he soon become a great field of merits for many incl. possible future fellows as well. (Der bucklige Raucher, der nach Silatagen stets Bhantes abgelegte Gaben wegräumt.)
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2019, 10:34:07 AM »
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Bhante Indaññāno is now in Phnom Penh.  Kana will inform an transfer the message to Bhante when he is back at Wat Ayum.

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 07:38:11 AM »
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Bhante Johann,

Der werte Upasaka(siehe Link), im Kreis sitzend ganz rechts, ist die Person, womit der Bhante das Gespräch geführt hat?

Bhante Indaññāno ist wieder im Wat Ayum.  Kana wird dem Bhante die Nachricht zukommenlassen.



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Ganz rechts, ja, Bhante Khemakumara .
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Bhante Johann,

Kana hat gerade mit Bhante Indaññāno  gesprochen und die Nachricht weiter-gegeben.  Bhantes Antwort: “Please write to Bhante Johann,  it is no Problem(to become a monk)! "

Wenn Kana den werten Upasaka das nächste mal antrifft, gibt Kana die Nachricht an Upasaka weiter, so letzte Zweifel bei Ihm vergehen mögen und er frohen Mutes in die Hauslosigkeit ziehen mag.

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Sadhu und mudita
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