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2019 Aug 23 06:28:14
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 23 06:06:18
Johann: At least here in the vally, people celebrate the Uposatha today. May it be blessed and meritful spend by those taking part.

2019 Aug 22 12:53:30
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Aug 22 10:04:46
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2019 Aug 22 10:01:05
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Aug 21 10:59:03
Johann: May Sukha come to fulfillment, Nyom.

2019 Aug 21 10:44:55
Moritz: Chom reap leah, Bhante _/\_ I have some other stuff to do now and will come back later. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 21 09:15:49
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 Aug 21 08:22:24
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 20 11:46:26
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante  _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 20 11:25:55
Johann: Nyom Villa

2019 Aug 16 12:51:30
Johann: Does she have any technical difficulty? Just because such could be.

2019 Aug 16 12:50:14
Johann: Nyom Anneliese

2019 Aug 15 04:29:20
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Sadhu

2019 Aug 15 03:49:34
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 15 00:36:44
Johann: A blessed full moon Upusatha and much joy in merits

2019 Aug 11 14:35:01
Mohan Gnanathilake: Dear The Most Reverend Samanera Johann, Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka! Sehr ehrwürdiger Samanera Johann, Dhamma Grüße an Sie aus Sri Lanka!

2019 Aug 11 14:32:29
Mohan Gnanathilake: Dear The Most Reverend Samanera Johann, Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Aug 11 14:14:46
Johann: Nyom Mohan

2019 Aug 11 07:32:16
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 11 01:15:57
Johann: Nothing much burdensome this time, Nyom Villa.

2019 Aug 10 16:42:46
Cheav Villa: How is Bhante health?  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 10 16:28:44
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 10 15:04:44
Johann: Nyom Vithou, Nyom Villa

2019 Aug 08 02:03:56
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 08 01:32:20
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ sadhu

2019 Aug 08 00:29:15
Johann: A blessed Uposatha-Sila-observation day and much recoicing with ones beauty investments and gains.

2019 Aug 03 01:35:23
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 Aug 03 01:09:55
Moritz: (or morning...)

2019 Aug 03 01:09:31
Moritz: Good evening, Bhante _/\_

2019 Aug 02 08:54:49
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 02 07:30:06
Johann: Once really going for refuge, such is ensured.

2019 Aug 02 07:28:16
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu

2019 Aug 02 07:04:04
Cheav Villa: May all suffering being healed under the refuge of the three gems _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Aug 02 05:36:31
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Aug 02 05:28:41
Moritz: (going to sleep now) _/\_

2019 Aug 02 05:28:24
Moritz: _/\_

2019 Aug 02 05:28:21
Moritz: Good morning, Bhante, bong Villa!

2019 Aug 02 01:37:32
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 Aug 02 01:32:14
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Jul 31 12:20:23
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 Jul 31 12:02:09
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Jul 31 12:01:42
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 31 04:38:59
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 31 01:32:33
Johann: Sadhu

2019 Jul 31 01:12:19
Khemakumara: May all have a meritful, fruitful full moon uposatha

2019 Jul 31 01:09:55
Khemakumara: May the Buddha Parisā live  united, in harmony,  in accordance with the dhamma vinaya of the Buddha.

2019 Jul 30 15:48:19
Johann: Upasaka Jens

2019 Jul 29 05:58:57
Johann: Dhammata, Nyom

2019 Jul 28 19:00:12
Vithou: Everything fine with me. What about Bhante?  _/\_

2019 Jul 28 18:58:39
Vithou: kana bhante.

2019 Jul 28 16:26:30
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 28 16:19:49
Johann: Over 1100 fine material visitor at the same time. Mudita and a blessed mindful night.

2019 Jul 28 14:14:10
Johann: over 700 "Devas" following Nyom Villa currently here  :) maybe they will reach 1000 today.

2019 Jul 27 17:54:39
Johann: Nyom Vithou. Everthing fine for him?

2019 Jul 27 17:44:50
Vithou:  _/\_

2019 Jul 27 16:20:40
Johann: Upasaka Vinz

2019 Jul 24 23:34:36
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 24 13:21:25
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Sadhu

2019 Jul 24 13:10:12
Johann: May all spend a blessed Sila day

2019 Jul 19 17:04:51
Johann: Master Moritz. Much joy with good undertakings.

2019 Jul 19 17:01:59
Moritz: and off to work _/\_

2019 Jul 19 17:01:42
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Jul 16 09:09:25
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ sadhu

2019 Jul 16 02:34:51
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 16 01:43:24
Johann: A meritful and joyful Fullmoo Uposatha obervance today!

2019 Jul 10 05:42:38
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Sadhu

2019 Jul 10 02:06:05
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 10 02:02:27
Johann: May all spend a blessed Sila-day today, engaging much in good deeds.

2019 Jul 09 11:04:55
Johann: A meritful rest of Sila-day, those who observe it today.

2019 Jul 07 06:03:30
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 06 14:38:48
Mohan Gnanathilake: Dear The Most Reverend Samanera Johann, Dhamma Greetings from Sri Lanka!

2019 Jul 06 14:38:26
Mohan Gnanathilake: Sehr ehrwürdiger Samanera Johann, Dhamma Grüße an Sie aus Sri Lanka!                                                                                                                                 

2019 Jul 06 14:11:36
Johann: Nyom Mohan

2019 Jul 06 13:15:40
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 06 13:03:25
Johann: Kana will try to send the other half of bag as well as "tnam luvin".

2019 Jul 06 12:57:40
Johann: Half the bag, 7 pills, leaded fast to cure.

2019 Jul 06 12:56:05
Johann: Kana wondered about eye and head ache, later reading that viruse, if on head, easy can damage both.

2019 Jul 06 12:54:26
Johann: Kana had to use anti-biotica (augumentine) of which was still left

2019 Jul 06 12:29:25
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ good state of mind.  The infection of the skin isn't already healed but getting better day by day.

2019 Jul 06 12:18:09
Johann: Bhante. Already good healthy again?

2019 Jul 06 12:12:21
Khemakumara: Nyom Cheav Villa

2019 Jul 06 12:11:55
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Johann

2019 Jul 06 11:46:47
Khemakumara: Nyom Vinz

2019 Jul 06 06:21:33
Johann: Sokh chomreoun Nyom

2019 Jul 06 04:29:33
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 05 12:27:20
Johann: Sadhu

2019 Jul 05 07:51:59
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 05 06:52:40
Khemakumara: Today isn't a"full moon"uposatha,  but nevertheless it can be also a"full heart"day of observance and sila.

2019 Jul 04 16:42:58
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Jul 04 16:22:16
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Jul 02 04:43:47
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Sadhu, Sadhu

2019 Jul 02 02:04:50
Johann: A blessed and meritful new-moon Uposatha

2019 Jul 01 06:43:03
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jul 01 04:09:06
Johann: May those undertaking the Uposatha today spend the new-moon joyfull with much merits.

2019 Jun 26 01:07:18
Johann: Good to hear

2019 Jun 25 16:22:42
Cheav Villa: ជំរាបសួរបងស្រី Norum  :D _/\_

2019 Jun 25 12:48:21
Vithou:  _/\_

2019 Jun 25 05:02:43
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jun 25 01:34:59
Johann: May all spend a blessed meritful Sila observing day today

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Author Topic: [ATI.eu] Indexing and search engine issues  (Read 5883 times)

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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2019, 08:32:56 AM »
Currently not using search or batchedit, how ever Nyom might think.

(There is a inbuilt search.php, told that it can be executed direct on the server to rebuild the index. Maybe that helps. https://www.dokuwiki.org/cli#indexerphp )
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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2019, 08:48:11 AM »
Currently not using search or batchedit, how ever Nyom might think.

(There is a inbuilt search.php, told that it can be executed direct on the server to rebuild the index. Maybe that helps. https://www.dokuwiki.org/cli#indexerphp )

Rebuilding index started.

The helper scripts listed on https://www.dokuwiki.org/cli are only usable if one has shell access on the server. But that is not the case for the Greensta server here. (But still possibly useful to look into and adapt something maybe when having more time for it.) So just using the previous approach now.

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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2019, 08:51:04 AM »
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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2019, 08:25:48 AM »
I accidentally restarted rebuilding the index again from scratch. So now, progress is again at about 5000/20000 pages.

I wrote a new script, adapting methods from the CLI script , so that the whole process would run on the server, not needing to have a connection and open browser window all the time to send commands for every single page to be indexed one by one.
This should at least be a little bit faster, without the sending commands and responses back and forth, but the speed difference is not really noticeable. So it should, again, be finished in one day.

The current progress can be seen by opening http://accesstoinsight.eu/indexer.success.log (listing pages that were indexed successfully) and http://accesstoinsight.eu/indexer.error.log (listing pages which could not be indexed for some reason, currently empty).
There is a counting number before each page name in the lists, so one can see how many pages have already been processed.

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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2019, 09:44:28 AM »
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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2019, 08:48:15 AM »
The indexing script I had started on the server (which should be doing just the same as the CLI indexer script) stopped at some point due to running out of memory (working memory, not storage memory). It seems that certain pages simply cannot be indexed because the indexer would need too much memory for it.
For example http://accesstoinsight.eu/cs-th:tika:sut.dn.0_tik and following pages always fail with
Code: [Select]
Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 67108872 bytes) in /var/www/clients/client2157/web5417/web/inc/indexer.php on line 612
or similar.

Line 612 is here:
Code: [Select]
$wordlist = explode(' ', $text);
splitting the whole text of a page into single words by spaces.

But I really do not understand why this would take so much memory. Also, replicating this same operation on my computer, splitting the same page text with the same methods into single words and storing in a variable in PHP, does not need nearly as much memory here.

Trying to find a way to work around it, I gave up now.

Continued indexing with the other method (which runs locally on my computer and sends a command for every single page to be indexed through the network, and does not stop if a page fails to be indexed), currently indexed until ~11000 pages (with many "holes" of pages which just cannot be indexed with the current server).

Should be finished in some 16 hours maybe if now just let to run. But with the current server infrastructure it seems the search index will always be incomplete.

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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2019, 10:07:07 AM »
Sadhu for effort and care. May Nyom always give/take himself his time.

(The "big pages", Atma thinks about 10 %, like the other of the cscd Tipitaka, would not change later on in regard of content. Atma remembers that once there was still a search engine on ZzE, it was also never possible to index all Pali Tipitaka pages of original Ati as well, always having errors.

On the other side, on ZzE once and also now on ati.eu, there have been times where the index was obviously complete.)

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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2019, 07:23:59 PM »
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May Nyom always give/take himself his time.
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Indexing finished some time this morning.

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On the other side, on ZzE once and also now on ati.eu, there have been times where the index was obviously complete.)
Obviously (offensichtlich)? Or apparently (offenbar, scheinbar, anscheinend)?

I think maybe the latter, because these errors would never appear in the Searchindex Manager plugin. It would just say "page already up to date" or something, when a page could not be indexed.

After retrying several times to index the files which failed, all files which still could not be indexed are just 474 pages in Thai script (listed below). I think the reason is the way DokuWiki handles some Asian scripts, including Thai, treating every character as a single word, which would take a lot of memory for the indexer. Quote from inc/indexer.php file, line 18 and following:
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// Asian characters are handled as words. The following regexp defines the
// Unicode-Ranges for Asian characters
// Ranges taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_block
// I'm no language expert. If you think some ranges are wrongly chosen or
// a range is missing, please contact me
define('IDX_ASIAN1','[\x{0E00}-\x{0E7F}]'); // Thai

I have deleted all files in en:s and de:s which were just examples on how to integrate Google Site Search and comments about other search engines tested by Mr. Bullitt for accesstoinsight.org in the past.

List of unindexed Thai script files:
Code: [Select]
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v01_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v02_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v03_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v04_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v05_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v06_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v07_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v08_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v09_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v10_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v11_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v12_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v13_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v14_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v15_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v16_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v17_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v18_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v19_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v20_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v21_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v22_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v23_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.0_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.1_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.2_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.3_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.4_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.5_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.6_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.7_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.8_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.9_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.man.00_att
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Re: from: [ATI.eu] CSCD xml to ati.eu format: converting, editing
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2019, 01:17:50 AM »
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Atma recognized that the search is less rendered for scripts other then latin. Yet not understanding why separating certain ranges character by character.
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Re: [ATI.eu] Indexing and search engine issues
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2019, 01:34:00 PM »
Atma has attached the Khmer and Thai Unicode table to possible exclude special characters like stops, computations ... breaking into single characters seems to be meaningless.

Not sure if Upasaka Vorapol may like to assist here for Thai. Atma will try to list special characters in Khmer but not sure now how the indexer or better the search engine works with compunctions and so on generally (simply cut them all away?)
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Re: [ATI.eu] Indexing and search engine issues
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2019, 02:19:51 PM »
17D4 KHMER SIGN KHAN • functions as a full stop, period
(→ 0E2F   thai character paiyannoi
→ 104A   myanmar sign little section)

17D5 KHMER SIGN BARIYOOSAN • indicates the end of a section or a text
(→ 0E5A   thai character angkhankhu
→ 104B   myanmar sign section)

17D6 KHMER SIGN CAMNUC PII KUUH • functions as colon
(• the preferred transliteration is camnoc pii kuuh
→ 00F7 ÷  division sign → 0F14   tibetan mark gter tsheg )

17D7 KHMER SIGN LEK TOO • repetition sign
(→ 0E46   thai character maiyamok )

17D8 KHMER SIGN BEYYAL • et cetera
• use of this character is discouraged; other abbreviations for et cetera also exist • preferred spelling: ។ល។

17D9 KHMER SIGN PHNAEK MUAN • indicates the beginning of a book or a treatise • the preferred transliteration is phnek moan
(→ 0E4F   thai character fongman )

17DA KHMER SIGN KOOMUUT • indicates the end of a book or treatise • this forms a pair with 17D9   • the preferred transliteration is koomoot
(→ 0E5B   thai character khomut )

17DB KHMER CURRENCY SYMBOL RIEL

17E0 KHMER DIGIT ZERO
17E1 KHMER DIGIT ONE
17E2 KHMER DIGIT TWO
17E3 KHMER DIGIT THREE
17E4 KHMER DIGIT FOUR
17E5 KHMER DIGIT FIVE
17E6 KHMER DIGIT SIX
17E7 KHMER DIGIT SEVEN
17E8 KHMER DIGIT EIGHT
17E9 KHMER DIGIT NINE

0E50 THAI DIGIT ZERO
0E51 THAI DIGIT ONE
0E52 THAI DIGIT TWO
0E53 THAI DIGIT THREE
0E54 THAI DIGIT FOUR
0E55 THAI DIGIT FIVE
0E56 THAI DIGIT SIX
0E57 THAI DIGIT SEVEN
0E58 THAI DIGIT EIGHT
0E59 THAI DIGIT NINE

Word breaks are either white spaces or zero width spaces in both scripts, Khmer and Thai.
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Re: [ATI.eu] Indexing and search engine issues
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2019, 04:58:43 PM »
Sadhu, I was just reading the searching code, trying to understand a bit how it works.

Probably the breaking into single characters idea came from Chinese or Japanese, where I think characters usually represent a complete word. Maybe Thai was included by mistake, thinking that all Asian scripts use such logographic "full word" characters.

I think it is best to just remove the Thai block from the "Asian" set and treat it "normally" like Roman etc. The Khmer block (1780–17FF) is not included there either, and search is working well. Most important change needed would be probably to use zero-width spaces as separators.

not sure now how the indexer or better the search engine works with compunctions and so on generally (simply cut them all away?)
* Moritz ("punctuation" - not "compunction" = "Gewissenhaftigkeit", as Bhante Thanissaro translates "otappa")
Punctuation marks are removed during indexing, and the resulting pieces are stored as "words" in the index, along with some reference tables to store which page has how many occurrences of each word.
When searching, first the tables are searched to find all pages which contain all the single words in the search phrase. And then, if the search phrase (or parts of the search phrase) has been put into quotes "", also the whole search phrase (or the quoted parts) is matched to find the exact occurrence in the text, including punctuation marks and so on.
For example, searching for "ist den Drei Juwelen, dem Buddha, dem Dhamma, der Sangha, gewidmet" will find one result on the page http://www.accesstoinsight.eu/km/index now.
* Moritz (Strange: It should also find the same on http://www.accesstoinsight.eu/de/index) but it does not. Seems like the index is somehow incomplete again.
If leaving out one comma or one word, like "ist den Drei Juwelen Buddha, dem Dhamma, der Sangha, gewidmet", still put in quotes, no result would be found, because there is no exact match of the quotation.
However, if searching for the same without quotation marks around, results would be found again, just looking for every word, not for the whole phrase, and ignoring all punctuation.
* Moritz (Strange: Searching in this way also gives http://www.accesstoinsight.eu/de/index as a result, as it should be. But it did not find the match when searching for the whole quoted phrase.)

So it should still be possible then to find exact text passages including punctuation marks, if quoted. Although, as just seen, sometimes the search engine might not work as it should. ^-^

I think I know now how to do the necessary changes to include the Khmer and Thai punctuation marks and zero-white spaces as separators. After adding these separators, the pages would have to be re-indexed again.

I will try to do it later this week. Not today anymore.

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Re: [ATI.eu] Indexing and search engine issues
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2019, 05:11:35 PM »
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