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2019 Jun 17 10:19:29
Johann: Bhante Khemakumara. Everything fine, health? Can he walk like before already?

2019 Jun 17 06:34:44
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu

2019 Jun 17 03:56:38
Cheav Villa: សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jun 17 00:46:14
Khemakumara: May all have a joy-full and fruit-full  Uposatha full-moon day

2019 Jun 15 17:53:43
Cheav Villa: កូណាព្រះអង្គទាំងអស់គ្នាសុខទុក្ខធម្មតា ទាំងសុខភាពឈឺ ជា មិនទៀងទាត់  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ ស្រីមុខក្រញ៉ូវ គាត់មានសុខភាពល្អជា

2019 Jun 15 13:03:21
Johann: All health?

2019 Jun 15 13:02:56
Johann: Nyom Muk-kamau?

2019 Jun 15 13:01:36
Johann: And own well-being, family?

2019 Jun 15 12:48:22
Johann: Maybe all busy like most at this times.

2019 Jun 15 12:44:14
Cheav Villa: បងពុទ្ធី និងវិធូរ ខ្ញុំកូណាមិនបានជួបគ្នា និងទាក់ទងគ្នាទេ ប៉ុន្មានខែចុងក្រោយនេះ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jun 15 12:42:16
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jun 15 04:21:08
Johann: Nyom Villa. All fine? Nyoms fellows, like Nyom Buddhi... havn't been seen since longer. All fine with friends and family?

2019 Jun 10 04:05:23
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jun 10 01:47:04
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu

2019 Jun 10 01:28:53
Khemakumara: May all have a fruitful waxing moon Uposatha!

2019 Jun 10 01:26:44
Khemakumara: Silena sugatiṁ yanti. Through virtue they go to a good destination.  Silena bhoga-sampadā.  Through virtue is wealth attained.  Silena nibbutiṁ yanti. Through virtue they go to Unbinding.  Tasmā silaṁ visodhaye. Therefore we should purify our virtue.

2019 Jun 06 14:52:24
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ kana,  Bhante. The wound heals fast and good.

2019 Jun 06 13:46:02
Johann: Bhante is fine, at least better?

2019 Jun 05 11:53:33
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jun 05 05:19:35
Johann: "N'atthi santi param sukham", there is no peace equal the hail of release

2019 Jun 04 10:25:51
Johann: Nyom Villa

2019 Jun 04 05:13:11
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jun 02 12:03:42
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Jun 02 00:29:09
Johann: May all enjoy the bliss of the fruitful observing of the Uposatha

2019 May 31 14:40:02
Cheav Villa: សាធុ​ សាធុ  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 31 13:47:09
Johann: Sadhu and Anumodana Nyom.

2019 May 31 12:40:14
Cheav Villa: សូមអោយព្រះអង្គឆាប់ជាសះស្បើយ  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 31 12:39:05
Cheav Villa: ព្រះអង្គKhemakumara ត្រូវបានពុទ្ធបរិស័ទនិមន្តទៅគ្លីនីកនៅជិតវត្តកាលពីម៉ោង​2 និងបានវះកាត់ព្យាបាល រួចត្រឡប់ទៅវត្ត

2019 May 31 12:36:20
Cheav Villa: ថ្វាយបង្គំ​ ព្រះ​អង្គ​ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 29 09:03:01
Johann: Had overseen Bhante here. Bhante Ariyadhammika  _/\_

2019 May 29 02:19:33
Khemakumara: Bhante Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 28 04:18:48
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 27 10:03:55
Johann: Much in German, Nyom, currently. Atma will try to translate as much as possible, step by step.

2019 May 26 03:04:21
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 26 03:04:06
Cheav Villa: សាធុ​

2019 May 26 01:02:17
Johann: Sadhu

2019 May 26 00:44:22
Khemakumara: May all have a meritful Uposatha day. Meeting some good friends (kalyanamitta) and som(e) sil(a) សំម សីល!

2019 May 24 14:13:29
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 May 24 13:28:52
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 May 24 05:23:33
Johann: Venerable

2019 May 24 05:22:57
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Johann

2019 May 24 02:08:29
Johann: Nyom Moritz, Nyom Villa.

2019 May 24 01:55:56
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 24 01:54:14
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 May 24 01:49:43
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 May 24 01:06:04
Johann: Venerable Ariyadhammika  _/\_

2019 May 20 04:14:26
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 20 01:31:27
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Indannano

2019 May 19 11:28:39
Khemakumara: Nyom Cheav Villa

2019 May 19 11:27:48
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 18 23:55:08
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 May 18 10:34:49
amanaki: Thank you Johann  _/\_

2019 May 18 09:59:33
Johann: Nyom Amanaki. Mudita that you may have possible found what searched for on a special day.

2019 May 18 09:24:56
Maria:  _/\_

2019 May 18 09:24:35
Maria: werter Bhante!

2019 May 18 09:22:43
Johann: Nyom Mizi

2019 May 18 09:21:31
Johann: Nyom Sophorn, Nyom Villa... may all here but also there rejoice in own and others goodness.

2019 May 18 05:03:47
Cheav Villa: សាធុ​សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 18 02:16:49
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 14 07:51:30
Vithou:  _/\_

2019 May 14 05:40:54
Johann: As long as not using telefon while riding. Sokh chomreoun, Nyom.

2019 May 13 18:38:46
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ (sitting in Taxi)

2019 May 12 15:44:32
Johann: But better ask Nyom Chanroth, since Atma does not walk that far these days.

2019 May 12 15:04:01
Johann: not teally, Nyom Vithou. Still less water in the streams here. Some still dry. Needs a while down from the mountains and not that much rain yet.

2019 May 12 14:54:37
Vithou: how is the road Bhante? Is it float at the mountain leg?

2019 May 12 14:51:59
Vithou:   _/\_

2019 May 12 14:40:43
Johann: Nyom Vithou. Nothing special. Yes, rain is present every afternoon since some days.

2019 May 12 14:38:33
Vithou: Bhante, how is everything at Asrum? Is it raining everyday?

2019 May 12 07:05:30
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 12 03:58:19
Johann: a joyful day in merits on this Sila-day

2019 May 11 17:04:10
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_

2019 May 11 16:16:56
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 May 11 05:35:39
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 11 00:52:44
Johann: an meritful Uposatha, those keeping it today

2019 May 10 17:14:43
Moritz: Chom reap leah, I am going to work. _/\_

2019 May 10 17:09:07
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 May 10 17:07:14
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 May 10 16:19:14
Moritz: Chom reap sour, bong Villa _/\_

2019 May 07 19:12:10
Johann: Nyom Vithou. Just some hours ago, thought of him.

2019 May 05 04:26:53
Chanroth:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 04 11:41:08
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 04 10:27:38
Khemakumara: Nyom Cheav Villa

2019 May 03 10:08:09
Khemakumara: Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 May 03 01:17:53
Johann: A meritful new moon Uposatha those celebrating it today.

2019 May 03 01:16:05
Johann: Talk box is buggy and lines love to jump. Better not editing.

2019 May 03 01:14:19
Johann: U Chanroth: "ថ្ងៃនេះខ្ញុំបាទ បានទទួលនៅសម្ភារៈមួយចំនួន សម្រាប់កសាងអាស្រមថ្មទូកសូមជូនបុណ្យដល់ពុទ្ធបរិសទ័ទាំងអស់គ

2019 May 02 15:15:58
Cheav Villa:   <.I.> _/\_

2019 May 02 15:15:17
Cheav Villa: Sorry because of kh font doesn't run well on my phone. Kana go to edit  to see the right  shout but  was wrong by deleting Pou  Chanroth 's  shout

2019 May 02 15:01:04
Cheav Villa: Mudita  :) _/\_

2019 May 02 13:47:17
Moritz: Anumodana puñña kusala! _/\_

2019 May 01 14:49:38
Johann: Now some monks are so close to many, that they can be visited even by feet.

2019 May 01 06:27:25
Johann: Thats accoss the whole city and hot (but cloudy  :) ) Best wishes and greatings.

2019 May 01 06:22:36
Cheav Villa: Get lost in the jungle of Phnom Penh from 2pm till 6pm

2019 May 01 05:40:26
Cheav Villa: Bhante Khemakumara arrived at Wat Sophea Khun in late evening  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Apr 29 09:19:56
Johann: Meister Moritz

2019 Apr 29 08:51:27
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Apr 29 03:07:40
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_ I am going to sleep.

2019 Apr 29 02:59:19
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Apr 29 02:41:01
Moritz: _/\_ Bong Villa

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Author Topic: [Ati.eu] Pagenames and Pali diacritics  (Read 480 times)

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[Ati.eu] Pagenames and Pali diacritics
« on: May 15, 2019, 03:46:09 AM »
Currently still up to prepare the PTS-dictionary for ati's dictionary, having some 10.000ts of words, Atma thinks on how to best handle the pagenames. The software, as it is now, would cut certain characters with diacritics, incl. in the roman table to standard roman characters. Some not, because not incl. Out of that, which is fine when using search tools, now able to search with or without diacritics for this characters, there would be many double, tripple names.
If now, when possible, one would disable the cut of of diacritics also in regard of the roman table, the search would no more that pleasing, possible would need to be recoded to match either with or without diacritic characters.

Every idea and suggestion welcome here.

 Atma thinks it will need another week or two till it would need to make a choice in regard of filenames to progress.
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Re: [Ati.eu] Pagenames and Pali diacritics
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2019, 02:50:24 AM »
Currently still up to prepare the PTS-dictionary for ati's dictionary, having some 10.000ts of words, Atma thinks on how to best handle the pagenames. The software, as it is now, would cut certain characters with diacritics, incl. in the roman table to standard roman characters. Some not, because not incl. Out of that, which is fine when using search tools, now able to search with or without diacritics for this characters, there would be many double, tripple names.

Vandami Bhante _/\_

I do not really understand the problem.
The dictionary now includes pages like for example http://accesstoinsight.eu/en/dictionary/ṭhiti-bhāgiya-samādhi , which has diacritics in the pagename.
Searching for the phrase ṭhiti-bhāgiya-samādhi yields 211 matches on 2 pages . But searching for thiti-bhagiya-samadhi (without diacritics) yields no matches at all .

Where does it happen that Roman characters with diacritics are stripped of diacritics?

If now, when possible, one would disable the cut of of diacritics also in regard of the roman table, the search would no more that pleasing, possible would need to be recoded to match either with or without diacritic characters.

This seems to be already the case here: One would have to enter any phrase exactly correct with diacritics to find matching results.
Could Bhante give an example of a search where this is not the case? Or have I misunderstood something?

In any case, yes, it seems very useful, being able to search for Pali phrases without all the exact diacritics. But would also be good to have the option to search for exact matching diacritics. Not sure how easy or difficult it would be to implement.

Every idea and suggestion welcome here.

Atma thinks it will need another week or two till it would need to make a choice in regard of filenames to progress.
Not sure what choice in regard to filenames is needed? At the moment, it seems dictionary filen ames/page names include diacritics etc., which I think makes sense. If one would strip diacritics from filenames then one might have some conflicting words which would be the same without diacritics.

So I think it would be best to have all diacritics included in the file names / page names. Still not sure where anything is stripped of diacritics. Is it the case that one would have a file name with diacritics, but the URL would be without diacritics? Would be good to see an example.

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Re: [Ati.eu] Pagenames and Pali diacritics
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2019, 05:33:20 AM »
Currently still up to prepare the PTS-dictionary for ati's dictionary, having some 10.000ts of words, Atma thinks on how to best handle the pagenames. The software, as it is now, would cut certain characters with diacritics, incl. in the roman table to standard roman characters. Some not, because not incl. Out of that, which is fine when using search tools, now able to search with or without diacritics for this characters, there would be many double, tripple names.

Vandami Bhante _/\_

I do not really understand the problem.
The dictionary now includes pages like for example http://accesstoinsight.eu/en/dictionary/ṭhiti-bhāgiya-samādhi , which has diacritics in the pagename.
Searching for the phrase ṭhiti-bhāgiya-samādhi yields 211 matches on 2 pages . But searching for thiti-bhagiya-samadhi (without diacritics) yields no matches at all .

Where does it happen that Roman characters with diacritics are stripped of diacritics?

There is current no problem because Atma looked after to have no "same" names within the standard but that will no more possible, or with tricks like using aa instead of ā in pagenames. When uploading the "whole" set of words such can be troublesome.

The filename is ṭhitibhagiyasamadhi.txt or better %E1%B9%ADhitibhagiyasamadhi.txt. When ever a page is made new, the program would cut the name down that standard.
Since is not included in that standard, it can be distinguished from t. The cutting down is fine as long as there is no need of a page a and ā. If needed, than it meets it's limits. The quicksearch searches for header and filename and is in the current situation great because in that way finding 2 different kind of spellings. If filename = header, real spelling, one would currently need to write correct in regard of finding words with resisting diacritics.

Not having tried yet, put to upload files not in the standard of the page names would, say ṭhitibhāgiyasamādhi.txt would make them invalid files causing error, not displayed, as far as understanding.

If now, when possible, one would disable the cut of of diacritics also in regard of the roman table, the search would no more that pleasing, possible would need to be recorded to match either with or without diacritic characters.

This seems to be already the case here: One would have to enter any phrase exactly correct with diacritics to find matching results.
Could Bhante give an example of a search where this is not the case? Or have I misunderstood something?

Not in the case where pagename and header is different, at least for quick-search (as searching both, header and filename. Standard search looks for what ever is as it is for now, as far as known.


In any case, yes, it seems very useful, being able to search for Pali phrases without all the exact diacritics. But would also be good to have the option to search for exact matching diacritics. Not sure how easy or difficult it would be to implement.

Every idea and suggestion welcome here.

Atma thinks it will need another week or two till it would need to make a choice in regard of filenames to progress.
Not sure what choice in regard to filenames is needed? At the moment, it seems dictionary filen ames/page names include diacritics etc., which I think makes sense. If one would strip diacritics from filenames then one might have some conflicting words which would be the same without diacritics.

So I think it would be best to have all diacritics included in the file names / page names. Still not sure where anything is stripped of diacritics. Is it the case that one would have a file name with diacritics, but the URL would be without diacritics? Would be good to see an example.

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May person thinks that it would be the best if the filename = right spelling and search engines as well as programs handle files would be certain adopted, but my person thinks that such might require huge programmer work, possible and has probably much impact on such as applications, plugins as well.

Another opinion would be turning the deaccent -config to 0, currently is 2 (remove diacritics in Latin, with matches some of the Pali diacritics as well). Using 0 now may make some current pagesnames problematic and cause troubles.
If removing the whole set of Pali diacritics out of the cut away in the responsible script, possible better. Yet the matter that the searches are not optimized for different spellings is another and resists.

In the current system used Atma used tricks like "aa" but for m with a upper dot, for example more problematic, m with a dot below would stay as it is since not in the latin block of diacritics.

While always finding way to make best use with what is available, in this case, may person has no idea of the amount of programming effort and skill needed for a good rendering, and would therefore not really ask for going after this or that better solution. He just aware that it would possible require huge and skilled work and would need a lot of scarifies and concentration and giving into this matter.
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Re: [Ati.eu] Pagenames and Pali diacritics
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2019, 05:39:54 AM »
Using now "url" encoding, my person thinks, although it's saver for certain windows-program use, that uft-8 would be better and easier, avoiding the long and not human readable filenames.

Also here

Warning: Changing this option could cause unintended behaviour. By changing it you can make pages created under a previous setting inaccessible.

Please also note that storing UTF-8 filenames might not be possible with all file systems. Windows systems have been reported to not work with this setting.

Windows might possible follow soon, since utf-8 is easier for many.

Yet at the moment still relative less pages would have to be re-saved, especially Khmer.
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Re: [Ati.eu] Pagenames and Pali diacritics
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2019, 01:26:51 AM »
The most "easiest" way with given, existing, possibilities might be that my person changes the filename-mode to utf-8, deaccent to 0 and add systematical alternative spellings as page content. That would make pages searchable and match in quick search as well. Writing the header without diacritics would make the quicksearch fine as well.

Linking the pages will then require right selling.

The work on the existing content would be rename and save mostly Khmer pages. In regard of the impact for windows systems, my person is not informed for now.
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Re: [Ati.eu] Pagenames and Pali diacritics
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2019, 05:14:42 AM »
The most "easiest" way with given, existing, possibilities might be that my person changes the filename-mode to utf-8, deaccent to 0 and add systematical alternative spellings as page content. That would make pages searchable and match in quick search as well. Writing the header without diacritics would make the quicksearch fine as well.

Linking the pages will then require right spelling.

The work on the existing content would be rename and save mostly Khmer pages. In regard of the impact for windows systems, my person is not informed for now.
That seems like the cleanest solution for a start.
Regarding impact for Windows systems , I think there should be no need to consider, because the server, like most servers is running some variant of Linux.
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Re: [Ati.eu] Pagenames and Pali diacritics
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2019, 05:50:42 AM »
Good, so then Atma follows that Vision when prepearing further the next days.
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