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2020 Feb 18 21:02:57
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2020 Feb 18 09:12:06
Danilo: Bhante Johann _/\_

2020 Feb 18 09:10:31
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2020 Feb 16 22:24:43
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2020 Feb 16 10:54:04
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Feb 16 06:43:32
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2020 Feb 15 22:34:40
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2020 Feb 15 14:16:33
Cheav Villa:  : *thumb* _/\_

2020 Feb 15 13:51:34
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 Feb 12 23:36:22
Moritz: Chom reap leah, good night _/\_

2020 Feb 12 23:04:39
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Feb 12 23:04:24
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2020 Feb 12 23:03:33
Moritz: Bang Villa _/\_

2020 Feb 12 22:57:44
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Feb 10 18:34:34
Johann: Nyom

2020 Feb 10 15:06:07
Sophorn:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Vandami Bhante

2020 Feb 10 15:05:31
Sophorn: Meister Moritz  _/\_

2020 Feb 10 14:10:41
Moritz: Bang Sophorn _/\_

2020 Feb 09 21:43:05
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2020 Feb 09 19:11:06
Johann: Nyom

2020 Feb 09 19:06:51
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Feb 09 19:06:36
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Feb 09 18:53:15
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Feb 08 22:38:59
Johann: Wie immer zugeneigt, Nyom.

2020 Feb 08 17:21:10
Sophorn:  _/\_ Bhante, es lässt sich nicht hochladen. Kana macht das wie gehabt _/\_

2020 Feb 08 06:18:20
Johann: A blessed full moon Uposatha, a blessed Magha Puja, Sangha day, all today.

2020 Feb 06 20:30:12
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2020 Feb 04 14:45:08
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Feb 01 06:40:40
Johann: A blessed Sila-day in Union all. May it be by nobody missed for certain not so benifical things.

2020 Jan 31 10:22:34
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 31 07:05:45
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 30 11:25:07
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 30 08:44:22
Johann: Bhante Ariyadhammika  _/\_

2020 Jan 30 05:03:27
Johann: Nyom

2020 Jan 30 03:22:25
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 30 02:39:50
Moritz: Sadhu for good wishes, brother Vivek. Maybe good for another topic :) _/\_

2020 Jan 29 20:10:42
Vivek:  :-|  :) Be courageous for wholesomeness.  :-\  ^-^ but don't attach to it  _/\_  *sgift* . All Youngsters-- be a Veera(celibacy)  ;-)  to reach mahaveera(buddha).  Live and let others live in R.I.P.(rest in peace)  <.I.>

2020 Jan 29 16:05:37
Cheav Villa: Welcome Master Moritz :) _/\_

2020 Jan 29 13:44:04
Moritz: I finally arrived :)

2020 Jan 29 13:43:56
Moritz:  Brother Vivek _/\_

2020 Jan 29 13:43:46
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 28 13:04:10
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 28 12:31:39
Johann: Atmas "sleeping rock" is always a well protected place. The fire now moving fast east into the village, may it case no harm and destruction for all.

2020 Jan 28 12:12:48
Cheav Villa: May Bhante could find a safe place during this fire time _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 26 12:06:21
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 25 23:25:33
Johann: Nyom Villa

2020 Jan 24 09:58:40
Johann: As thought, incl. the Devas.

2020 Jan 24 08:29:47
Cheav Villa: He kept walking on road num 3 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 24 08:28:40
Cheav Villa: But could not help only giving drinking water. Bhante told his lost in this area 3days ago then he walr

2020 Jan 24 08:24:26
Cheav Villa: with Dad and Srey muk kamao, going to visit His Grand ma Grand pa. Fortunately he met Bhante Khmema kumara on the main road

2020 Jan 24 08:22:10
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante this morning aroung 7.30 kana son arrived near Psar Tram kna on national road number3

2020 Jan 24 08:20:39
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 24 07:05:21
Johann: A blessed chinese new year, new moon Uposatha those who celebrate it today.

2020 Jan 23 21:53:22
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 23 21:46:43
Johann: Sokh chomreoun

2020 Jan 23 21:25:30
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 23 11:48:02
Johann: A blessed and fruitful new moon Uposatha, those observing it today

2020 Jan 22 13:30:29
Johann: May Sukha come to fulfillment, Nyom. It's well for now.

2020 Jan 22 09:39:03
Danilo: did Bhante's health get better?

2020 Jan 22 09:37:11
Danilo: Bhante Johann _/\_

2020 Jan 21 19:20:53
Johann: Meister Moritz

2020 Jan 21 19:01:10
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 21 13:09:02
Johann: Blind like ants are being believing in technic, scients and incapable to trace where and how effects take their cause.

2020 Jan 20 19:30:27
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2020 Jan 19 20:32:04
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2020 Jan 19 20:29:34
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 19 15:01:46
Johann: some moved to topic here

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Johann: Nyom Moritz

2020 Jan 19 10:03:16
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 18 08:14:54
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Johann: A blessed and fruitful Sila day

2020 Jan 17 19:19:18
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2020 Jan 17 18:37:01
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2020 Jan 17 18:14:15
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 17 13:39:36
Sophorn: Many greetings to everyone,

2020 Jan 17 13:39:19
Sophorn:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 17 10:29:19
Johann: "so, now I go up and clear the area a little, make some merits, and I will not share my merits, with anybody..."  ^-^

2020 Jan 17 08:49:11
Chanroth: ធ្វើអាស្រមហើយចេញពីរសេចក្ដីល្អ ធ្វើអ្វីដើម្បីខ្លួល្អជាង

2020 Jan 17 08:45:08
Chanroth: សូមលាហើយ

2020 Jan 17 08:33:16
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 17 06:56:27
Johann: A blessed and fruitful Uposatha, those observing it today.

2020 Jan 17 06:45:45
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2020 Jan 17 06:44:49
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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2020 Jan 15 11:12:01
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2020 Jan 15 10:24:02
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Jan 15 10:21:50
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

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2020 Jan 12 21:34:30
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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2020 Jan 12 21:27:15
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2020 Jan 12 21:26:54
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Author Topic: Could a Sotapanna reject to give? | Könnte ein Sotap. verweigen zu geben?  (Read 1254 times)

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What does Guest, and all others think:

Would a person, having reached the path, able to, would he/she, reject a request of something material, incl. strength and effort in material spheres, if he/she could share?

In what cases, if he/she could reject, would he/she?


Was denk Guest und alle anderen: Wenn eine Person, den Pfad erreicht haben, fähig sein einer Bitte um etwas materielles, inkl. Kraft und Anstrengung darum verwehren, wenn sie geben könnte?

In welchen Fällen, wenn Sie könnte, würde sie eine Bitte abschlagen?
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May Brah Ang explain (this), please.
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"Oh, it's a test whether willing to give or not...  No. But I am not stingy. ", could be thoughts, or: "What about if Nyom Cheav Villa would share her knowledge of Dhamma, prove of heared, readed, and thoughts and investigations on this matter?"
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(But) Kana thought that she will wait to listen to Brah Angs explaining.

One could think: "Oh, stingy. Vanna-macchariya. Surely fearing to lose face possible telling not right.." or "Oh, stingy in regard of Dhamma." and then one could think: "What if argue that I give always and you so less."

Would a sotapanna possible think in such way, argue around, verbal, mental? What does Nyom think?
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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ ទ្រព្យគឺចាគៈ តើដូចម្តេច។ ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ អរិយសាវក ក្នុងសាសនានេះ មានចិត្តប្រាស​ចាកមន្ទិល គឺសេចក្តី​កំណាញ់ បាន​បរិច្ចាគ​រួច​ហើយ មានដៃលាង​ហើយ ត្រេកអរក្នុងការលះ ជាអ្នកគួរ​ដល់ស្មូម ត្រេកអរ​ក្នុងការ​ចែក​រំលែកទាន រមែងនៅគ្រប់គ្រងផ្ទះ។ ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ នេះហៅថា ទ្រព្យគឺចាគៈ។

"And what is the treasure of generosity? There is the case of a disciple of the noble ones, his awareness cleansed of the stain of stinginess, living at home, freely generous, openhanded, delighting in being magnanimous, responsive to requests, delighting in the distribution of alms. This is called the treasure of generosity.

All Noble one have common to be free from the stain of stinginess. Having touched the truth, knowing about the worth of things already well, their are incapable to reject giving of what can be given.

That's for example the reason why Bhikkhus are encouraged to declare a lay person, family, "fit to be trained" as such, as a tool to avoid it that people or families grow poor. They would only accept gifts if they approach from themselves coming to the front and not in cases they would "run" behind. They would be no more approached in this regard and gift only in special circumstances exepted.

A Noble person, of course, can not, is not really able to give something that is not his own or in cases he/she is not allowed to give. When ever giving is done, it is based on moral virtue. That might be a reason why a Noble person may appear "stingy" for others, who, if not of integrity, of course would not be able to understand.

For example there might be a person asking a monk for some mangos from a monastery tree. Being the own of the Sangha, not allowed to be shared outwardly he does not approve. Or a lay person, having a personal licensed software, would be asked by a friend to make a copy for him. In cases he can, would probably give up his licence and transfere it in his domain.

So in cases where his/her giving would be harmful for others, lead to lose for someone, he/she might not give, searching of course eager for alternatives possible for him/her.

What does Nyom think and all others? Has a Sotapanna, and upward, reasons to reject giving?
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Another attitude of a person skilled in giving, liberal, is, that he would not accept rewards for his/her giving. One sample, in regard of the highest gift: having given Dhamma, a person of integrity does not accept any personal pay back for such. Not using giving as a matter of trade or to expect anything else then liberation and independency, no more up in investing in furthrr relations depending on nourishement one might be not able to supply, a person of integrity "plays the ball forward". Being given, gifted, he places such upwardly and for not harming purpose and would not dedicate something given toward liberation for feeding worldily bonds.
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