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2019 Jul 06 13:03:25
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Author Topic: Could a Sotapanna reject to give? | Könnte ein Sotap. verweigen zu geben?  (Read 722 times)

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What does Guest, and all others think:

Would a person, having reached the path, able to, would he/she, reject a request of something material, incl. strength and effort in material spheres, if he/she could share?

In what cases, if he/she could reject, would he/she?


Was denk Guest und alle anderen: Wenn eine Person, den Pfad erreicht haben, fähig sein einer Bitte um etwas materielles, inkl. Kraft und Anstrengung darum verwehren, wenn sie geben könnte?

In welchen Fällen, wenn Sie könnte, würde sie eine Bitte abschlagen?
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សូម​ព្រះអង្គ បកស្រាយ។
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May Brah Ang explain (this), please.
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"Oh, it's a test whether willing to give or not...  No. But I am not stingy. ", could be thoughts, or: "What about if Nyom Cheav Villa would share her knowledge of Dhamma, prove of heared, readed, and thoughts and investigations on this matter?"
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(But) Kana thought that she will wait to listen to Brah Angs explaining.

One could think: "Oh, stingy. Vanna-macchariya. Surely fearing to lose face possible telling not right.." or "Oh, stingy in regard of Dhamma." and then one could think: "What if argue that I give always and you so less."

Would a sotapanna possible think in such way, argue around, verbal, mental? What does Nyom think?
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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ ទ្រព្យគឺចាគៈ តើដូចម្តេច។ ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ អរិយសាវក ក្នុងសាសនានេះ មានចិត្តប្រាស​ចាកមន្ទិល គឺសេចក្តី​កំណាញ់ បាន​បរិច្ចាគ​រួច​ហើយ មានដៃលាង​ហើយ ត្រេកអរក្នុងការលះ ជាអ្នកគួរ​ដល់ស្មូម ត្រេកអរ​ក្នុងការ​ចែក​រំលែកទាន រមែងនៅគ្រប់គ្រងផ្ទះ។ ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ នេះហៅថា ទ្រព្យគឺចាគៈ។

"And what is the treasure of generosity? There is the case of a disciple of the noble ones, his awareness cleansed of the stain of stinginess, living at home, freely generous, openhanded, delighting in being magnanimous, responsive to requests, delighting in the distribution of alms. This is called the treasure of generosity.

All Noble one have common to be free from the stain of stinginess. Having touched the truth, knowing about the worth of things already well, their are incapable to reject giving of what can be given.

That's for example the reason why Bhikkhus are encouraged to declare a lay person, family, "fit to be trained" as such, as a tool to avoid it that people or families grow poor. They would only accept gifts if they approach from themselves coming to the front and not in cases they would "run" behind. They would be no more approached in this regard and gift only in special circumstances exepted.

A Noble person, of course, can not, is not really able to give something that is not his own or in cases he/she is not allowed to give. When ever giving is done, it is based on moral virtue. That might be a reason why a Noble person may appear "stingy" for others, who, if not of integrity, of course would not be able to understand.

For example there might be a person asking a monk for some mangos from a monastery tree. Being the own of the Sangha, not allowed to be shared outwardly he does not approve. Or a lay person, having a personal licensed software, would be asked by a friend to make a copy for him. In cases he can, would probably give up his licence and transfere it in his domain.

So in cases where his/her giving would be harmful for others, lead to lose for someone, he/she might not give, searching of course eager for alternatives possible for him/her.

What does Nyom think and all others? Has a Sotapanna, and upward, reasons to reject giving?
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Another attitude of a person skilled in giving, liberal, is, that he would not accept rewards for his/her giving. One sample, in regard of the highest gift: having given Dhamma, a person of integrity does not accept any personal pay back for such. Not using giving as a matter of trade or to expect anything else then liberation and independency, no more up in investing in furthrr relations depending on nourishement one might be not able to supply, a person of integrity "plays the ball forward". Being given, gifted, he places such upwardly and for not harming purpose and would not dedicate something given toward liberation for feeding worldily bonds.
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