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2019 Dec 09 23:28:27
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2019 Dec 07 09:19:49
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2019 Dec 05 09:56:53
Johann: sokh chomreoun, nyom

2019 Dec 05 09:56:09
Moritz: Taking leave. May Bhante dwell in good health _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 05 09:46:00
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Dec 05 09:14:32
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_

2019 Dec 05 08:09:04
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Dec 04 20:16:08
saddhamma:  _/\_Bhante Johann. Wishing you speedy recovery.

2019 Dec 04 07:35:06
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:36:37
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:32:33
Johann: Sadhu

2019 Dec 04 06:31:50
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, Nyom (May welbeing increase)

2019 Dec 04 06:31:50
Moritz: May all spend a good Uposatha _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:31:42
Khemakumara: May all have a path- and fruiful Uposatha

2019 Dec 04 06:31:34
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:31:28
Moritz: Vandami Bhante Khemakumara _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:08:13
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Dec 04 01:50:53
saddhamma: Āvuso Moritz _/\_

2019 Dec 04 01:15:40
Moritz: Bong Ebo _/\_

2019 Dec 01 13:29:37
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 30 21:38:39
Johann: Nyom

2019 Nov 30 21:30:49
Cheav Villa: May Bhante get well soon _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 30 19:04:39
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Khemakumara  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 30 17:34:10
Khemakumara: Nyom

2019 Nov 30 16:43:46
Johann: Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 30 06:46:37
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2019 Nov 29 20:24:07
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 29 18:59:11
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Sadhu Sadhu

2019 Nov 29 16:01:17
Johann: Ratana Sutta , and one more public.

2019 Nov 29 14:25:08
Cheav Villa:   _/\_ Yes, eveyone here got flu and almost everywhere..  :-\ :) _/\_

2019 Nov 29 14:19:23
Moritz: Sadhu _/\_ Yes, sickness very much present here as well.  :-\  :)

2019 Nov 29 14:18:08
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Nov 29 14:12:37
Johann: (May all and everyone get soon/quick free fom sickness) Sadhu

2019 Nov 29 14:07:13
Cheav Villa: សូមអោយអ្នកទាំងអស់គ្នាឆាប់ជាពីរោគា គ្រប់ៗគ្នា _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 29 14:05:22
Cheav Villa: សូមអោយព្រះអង្គឆាប់ជាពីជម្ងឺផ្តាសាយ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 29 12:05:41
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Nov 29 11:51:15
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Nov 28 20:08:22
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 28 13:11:37
Johann: Bhante

2019 Nov 28 12:52:24
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2019 Nov 27 23:19:47
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 27 22:59:18
Khemakumara: Nyom

2019 Nov 27 10:20:04
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 27 10:16:58
Khemakumara: May it be a path -and fruitful after-the-Newmoon-uposatha-day

2019 Nov 26 20:55:22
Johann: Meister Moritz

2019 Nov 26 19:35:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Nov 26 11:50:14
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 26 10:53:53
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 26 09:24:16
Johann: A blessed and united Newmoon uposatha all touchable and taking on it

2019 Nov 26 08:53:07
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 26 00:07:54
Johann: Moi, moi, Nyom. Ma dom ma chumheang (Slowly, slowly... step by step) much joy in all good virtuous undertakings.

2019 Nov 25 23:46:46
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_ (many things to do...)

2019 Nov 25 23:28:18
Johann: Meister Moritz

2019 Nov 25 23:04:36
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 24 22:55:28
Johann: Nyom

2019 Nov 24 22:51:00
saddhamma: Bhante Johann _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 24 16:27:57
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 24 16:01:25
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 24 13:04:02
Johann: May one not feel disturbed while my person might share merits in many different topics, as just possibility. Anumodana

2019 Nov 22 20:01:23
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Master Moritz _/\_

2019 Nov 22 19:49:34
Johann: talkbox isn't good for more then Abhivadana, hello... wishes, metta spreading, similar.

2019 Nov 22 19:47:27
Johann: Visitor, as well as Nyom Vivek, can write in topics, maybe start even one. It's, the issue, isn't understandable.

2019 Nov 22 19:40:12
Visitor: 2nd one is unrecoverable and unreachable(forgotten password)

2019 Nov 22 19:38:57
Visitor: 1st email id at the link is deleted

2019 Nov 22 19:33:19
Visitor: Wow! Mr. Mortiz ,so you are working as an Engineer. Might be algorithm over here can be of some use. It's very fast for a server to handle  ;-)  _/\_ buddhaya. https://github.com/Anonymousingly/URA

2019 Nov 22 18:21:55
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_ Trying to see how to set up new server. :) Would try to start topic about it soon, possibly taking some days still; now soon usual weekend nightshift work. _/\_

2019 Nov 22 18:18:46
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Nov 22 18:05:26
Johann: Nyom Moritz, Villa

2019 Nov 22 17:27:04
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Nov 22 06:39:52
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 Nov 22 06:39:22
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Nov 22 00:13:18
Vivek: Good Night All,Be happy, meditate in dreams too....from a former wanderer of other sects.

2019 Nov 21 23:40:42
Johann: Nyom Vivek

2019 Nov 21 21:59:49
Visitor: Oh! It worked. Vandami All.

2019 Nov 21 21:58:35
Visitor: Shout, shout, wow, wow,  :o :o *gift* *thumb*

2019 Nov 20 15:54:51
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 20 15:27:02
Johann: Nyom Villa

2019 Nov 20 14:18:59
Johann: A blessed Sila-day today, and may many take to possibility for services toward the tripple Gems while observing Silas.

2019 Nov 20 05:35:14
saddhamma: Avuso Moritz _/\_

2019 Nov 19 21:17:27
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_

2019 Nov 19 19:13:02
Moritz: Upasaka Sadhamma _/\_

2019 Nov 19 19:12:54
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Nov 19 14:33:28
Johann: Ayasma Moritz

2019 Nov 19 14:18:50
Moritz: Mr. Vivek _/\_

2019 Nov 19 14:03:03
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 19 13:46:22
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Nov 19 07:36:38
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 19 05:28:18
Johann: Being caught in relating, may they find the trace toward Unbond with ease and follow it eager for soon release.

2019 Nov 19 05:25:03
Johann: A meritful, joyful in Dhamma, Sila day today, those undertaking it today.

2019 Nov 18 05:41:01
Moritz: Chom reap leah, for now _/\_ May Bhante have a pleasent day. _/\_

2019 Nov 18 05:22:11
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2019 Nov 18 05:20:39
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Nov 16 21:59:56
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 16 20:43:25
Johann: Ayasma Moritz

2019 Nov 14 22:46:22
Johann: Atma leaves the paranimmita-vasavatti deva and nimmanarati deva now to find good birth by themself, no more power left.

2019 Nov 14 22:00:48
Cheav Villa: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 14 21:39:00
Johann: Duties and Silas are words of same meaning, denoting "proper conduct and giving in ones relations where ne desires to have a good and safe stand"

2019 Nov 14 21:25:51
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 14 21:21:02
Johann: May all have good rest at the end of day, done ones duties or even a blessed done merits after that as well. My person is now off of energy and good to rest as well.

2019 Nov 14 13:43:11
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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My person guesses that cloud-robots try to uphold a most actual mirror in cases the original server isn't reachable, or simply to increase traffic...

May Nyom Moritz not fall into to much worry with it.
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My person guesses that cloud-robots try to uphold a most actual mirror
My person guesses that cloud-robots try to uphold a most actual mirror

Yes, that is also what I would guess.

Just archiving information. For whatever purpose.

There are of course the "benign" and generally accepted robots of web search engines like Google and Bing. But they would usually not come in such large numbers, eating so much traffic. People would complain and give such search engines a bad reputation.

There is also some kind of protocol which such "official" robots would follow, telling them where they are allowed to look and where not (robots.txt , currently nothing like that configured for sangham.net, and something I had never really learnt about, so am reading about it now). Not sure if these kinds of robots here would do that. But probably useful to know about anyway.

For now, I have been logging requests for about 10 minutes, to see if I can find any patterns useful for guessing what might be a bot and who not.

May Nyom Moritz not fall into to much worry with it.
Not much worry here. But having a free day today, I have some time to investigate. It surely seems like a problem that one should know how to deal with on the long run.

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Sadhu (robots of offical search engines are given access to login in an admin setting, just for info, but guessing that this kind doesn't fall into that category).
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Some common characteristics of apparent blind data-collecting robots:

IP address starting with 159.138
HTTP headers:
HTTP_REFERER:  (none)
HTTP_ORIGIN:  (none)
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: "zh-CN,zh;q=0.9"
HTTP_USER_AGENT: many different possibilities (probably all "faked"), but apparently always containing "AppleWebKit"

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It seems to me that blocking by IP would be actually most reasonable. Maybe for some days or weeks at least, hoping that the robots would then not return for a while.
Searching around on the internet, others have reported the same problem since a few months about similar IP ranges.

It seems to me that requiring log-in for the whole forum does not have much lasting effect. They could probably not read and understand that login is required, and that every URL they try simply shows this same message and information.
As long as there is anything to see, and even small changes maybe (like content of the recent topics and shoutbox), it is probably "interesting" enough to try and collect data.

The bots are visiting many URLs which could not be accessed through any links for non-logged in people at the moment. So they rely on some memory of pages they visited before, or links they collected before.
There are thousands of possible URLs in the forum. So they could keep themselves busy with that for a very long time.

I think maybe only a "404 - not found" or "405 - gone" answer, if repeated long enough to them, could make them "forget" and let go of this site for maybe a longer while.
It looks like they are keeping a "slow" pace, in order to be not completely disruptive. Probably they would want to check every URL at least a few times over some longer period, until they would accept that it is useless to come back to.

So my approach would be now to just collect IP addresses (so far, all starting with 159.138) for a while and check if they all match the pattern of "probable bot". And then block all those IPs that seem to be confirmed as bots, for at least a week or two. Maybe better even a month.

Of course not totally sure how far exactly the IP range of bots goes. And such IP ranges could be re-assigned one day. But for now, it seems, they all come from some IP range currently (and probably for a longer time) belonging to "Huawei Cloud Services", i.e. some cluster of servers that anyone could rent, not belonging to any normal "consumer" internet connection of some smart phone, or laptop or desktop computer etc.

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Tempory banner which wouldn't deprive from existence or close up doors for birth might be possible with proper mind attitude. Mind: metta based on right view, Sila without any intention to take existance or harm and hurt.

Maybe not to long.

There is an mod by the young programmer of smf which makes such when a ceratin IP makes to much touches is certain time. Similar could be maybe made but with a range and a remove of banner, say 1 or 2 days again.

Currently Asian developers might try to learn what is possible of what western made over longer time more carefully. As shown, the first try was from China using manpower, now from open kept Hong kong. They now try and surely success in much shorter time, to build up an empire like God Google.

Anyway, one should be clear:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

009.04. Bhikkhus, the highwaymen endowed with eight things does not do it long, ends up quickly. What eight?

Attacks those who should not be attacked, takes away without leaving anything, kills women, defiles maidens, plunders the gone forth, plunders the royal treasury, steals in the vicinity and does not have a saving Bhikkhus, the highwaymen endowed with these eight things does not do it long, ends up quickly.

Bhikkhus, the highwaymen endowed with eight things does it long, does not end up quickly. What eight?

Does not attack those who should not be attacked, does not take away without leaving anything, does not kill women, does not defile maidens, does not plunder the gone forth, does not plunder the royal treasury, does not steal in the vicinity and has a saving Bhikkhus, the highwaymen endowed with these eight things does it long, does not end up quickly.
Quote from: translation of AN 8.84 by Sister Uppalavanna

Foolish thieves, skilled thieves, unskilled, Robin Hoods, a mother fighting for the family surviving... they are all still thieves.

Nobody understands how importand a Dhamma search engine, with given access to search, would be and prefer to use the means of thieves...

Banner, kill, depriving... for whom ever, is still akusala.

May Nyom act what is regarded as puñña kiriya vatthu and not a little outside even if feeling it might be rightouse. So in that mood, mudita
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No bots (of the kind which came in large amounts) so far today, I think. (No blocking measures taken yet.)

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So closing might have effects. Atma opens up another time to have a look on it.
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Mudita with Nyoms trust into metta.

May he enjoy the fruits of giving freedom of fear by a mind of goodwill toward all being, and outer actions based on this aspect of right view.
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