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Like when enter or join, a shrine, another's sphere, or back: good for greating, bye, veneration, short talks, quick help. Some infos on regards .


2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

2023 Sep 01 10:54:43
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 01 09:21:09
Dhammañāṇa:  “This verse was stated by earlier worthy ones, fully self-awakened:    Freedom from disease: the foremost good fortune. Unbinding: the foremost ease. The eightfold: the foremost of paths going to the Deathless, Secure.

2023 Sep 01 09:19:23
Dhammañāṇa: 'Ārogyaparamā lābhā nibbānaṃ paramaṃ sukhaṃ, Aṭṭhaṅgiko ca maggānaṃ khemaṃ amatagāmina'nti.   អារោគ្យបរមា លាភា និព្ពានំ បរមំ សុខំ អដ្ថងិកោ ច មគ្គានំ ខេមំ អមតគាមិន នតិ។  លាភទាំងឡាយ មានការមិនមានរោគ ដ៏ប្រសើរបំផុត ព្រះនិព្វាន ជាសុខដ៏ឧត្តម មគ្គប្រកបដោយអង្គ៨ ដ៏ក្សេមក្សាន្តជាងមគ្គទាំងឡាយ សម្រាប់ដំណើរ ទៅកាន់​ព្រះនិព្វាន ឈ្មោះអមតៈ។

2023 Aug 31 06:30:11
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 31 06:08:15
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Fullmoon Uposatha, following the Arahats conducts.

2023 Aug 30 20:19:25
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Aug 30 18:39:38
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 24 19:56:43
Dhammañāṇa: Sadhu, Sadhu and mudita

2023 Aug 24 19:45:08
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Offline Dhammañāṇa

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Fear of independence
« on: September 30, 2019, 05:47:17 AM »
Beings at large fear nothing more then independence, nothing more at the same time then dependency.

Pulling others into being dependent on them, denying debts toward others at the same time.

Full of "creator god" this worlds.
This post and Content has come to be by Dhamma-Dana and so is given as it       Dhamma-Dana: Johann

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Re: Fear of independence
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2019, 11:52:54 AM »
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Re: Fear of independence
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2019, 12:15:33 PM »
Yet, while ordinary people are always after binding, there are only two people, when giving, giving toward release: Sekha and Asekha.

And the are only two people causing one release when being given: Sekha and Asekha.

Or one could say: increase the bonds toward independency, by giving into by body, speech and mind, on one side, or two, purified.

And yet the doubtless perception of Sekha or Asekha, is what counts, and the dedication toward it/them.
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Re: Fear of independence
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2019, 01:04:14 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2019, 10:58:22 AM »
Sādu, sādu Bhante  :-* :-* :-*

I would like to add the Tathāgata to your auspicious list for completeness. The Tathāgata, sekha and asekha are the three kalyanamittas who arise in the world for the welfare of many, for the happiness of many, out of compassion for the world, for the good, welfare, and happiness of devas and humans. Their taste of liberation due to the well proclaimed dhamma enable them to guide devas and humans to savor the same taste of liberation, like the tongue tastes the flavor of the soup. Many are those who have not tasted liberation but take on the impossible task of guiding others to taste liberation like the spoon that tastes the flavor of the soup.


Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

§ 84. For the Welfare of Many

{Iti 3.35; Iti 78 } audio [Alternate translation: Thanissaro]

This was said by the Lord…

“Bhikkhus, these three persons appearing in the world appear for the welfare of many people, for the happiness of many people, out of compassion for the world, for the good, welfare, and happiness of devas and humans. What three?

“Here, bhikkhus, a Tathagata appears in the world, an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One, possessing perfect knowledge and conduct, a sublime one, a world-knower, an unsurpassed leader of persons to be tamed, a teacher of devas and humans, an enlightened one, a Lord. He teaches Dhamma that is good at the outset, good in the middle, and good at the end, with its correct meaning and wording, and he proclaims the holy life in its fulfillment and complete purity. This, bhikkhus, is the first person appearing in the world who appears for the welfare of many people, for the happiness of many people, out of compassion for the world, for the good, welfare, and happiness of devas and humans.

“Next, bhikkhus, there is a disciple of that teacher, an arahant, one whose taints are destroyed, the holy life fulfilled, who has done what had to be done, laid down the burden, attained the goal, destroyed the fetters of being, and is completely released through final knowledge. He teaches Dhamma… and he proclaims the holy life in its fulfillment and complete purity. This, bhikkhus, is the second person appearing in the world… for the good, welfare, and happiness of devas and humans.

“And next, bhikkhus, there is a disciple of that teacher, a learner who is following the path, who has learned much and is of virtuous conduct. He teaches Dhamma… and he proclaims the holy life in its fulfillment and complete purity. This, bhikkhus, is the third person appearing in the world… for the good, welfare, and happiness of devas and humans.
“These, bhikkhus, are the three persons appearing in the world who appear for the welfare of many people, for the happiness of many people, out of compassion for the world, for the good, welfare, and happiness of devas and humans.”

   
The teacher, the great sage,
Is the first in the world;
Following him is the disciple
Whose composure is perfected;
And then the learner training on the path,
One who has learned much and is virtuous.

These three are chief amongst devas and humans:
Illuminators, preaching Dhamma,
Opening the door to the Deathless,
They free many people from bondage.

Those who follow the path
Well taught by the unsurpassed
Caravan-leader, who are diligent
In the Sublime One's dispensation,
Make an end of suffering
Within this very life itself.



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Re: Fear of independence
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2019, 05:01:55 PM »
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(here also in Khmer)

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

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ព្រះ​សាស្តា ព្រះ​អង្គ​ស្វែង​រក​គុណ​ដ៏​ធំ ជា​បុគ្គល​ទី ១ ក្នុង​លោក សាវ័ក​អ្នក​ប្រព្រឹត្ត​តាម​ព្រះ​សាស្តា​នោះ មានខ្លួន​អប់​រំហើយ (ជា​បុគ្គល​ទី ២) មួយ​ទៀត សាវ័ក​ដទៃ ជា​សេក្ខបុគ្គល កំពុងប្រតិបត្តិ ជា​ពហុស្សូត បរិបូណ៌​ដោយ​សីល និង​វត្ត (ជា​បុគ្គល​ទី ៣)។ បុគ្គល ៣ ពួក​នេះ ប្រសើរ​ជាង​ទេវតា និង​មនុស្ស លោក​ជា​អ្នក​ធ្វើ​ពន្លឺ គឺ​ធម៌ សំដែង​ឡើង​នូវ​ធម៌ គឺ​ចតុរារិយសច្ច បាន​បើក​ទ្វារ​នៃ​ព្រះ​អមតនិព្វាន លោក​ទាំង​នោះ តែង​ញុាំង​​ជន​ច្រើន​នាក់​ឲ្យ​រួចចាក​យោគៈ​បាន។ [ទ. ១០៧]ពួក​ជន​ណា ឈានឡើង​កាន់​អរិយមគ្គ ដែល​ព្រះ​មាន​ព្រះ​ភាគ ដូច​ជា នាយ​ឈ្មួញ​ដ៏​ប្រសើរ​ដោយ​សីលាទិគុណ ទ្រង់​សំដែង​ហើយ​ដោយ​ប្រពៃ ពួក​ជន​ណា មិន​ប្រមាទ​ក្នុង​សាសនា​របស់​ព្រះ​សុគត ពួក​ជន​នោះ ៗ តែង​ធ្វើ​នូវ​ទី​បំផុត​ទុក្ខ ក្នុង​អត្តភាព​នេះ​បាន។


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Re: Fear of independence
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2019, 05:48:38 PM »
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Re: Fear of independence
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2019, 09:39:55 AM »
And what are the six fear of independency?

The is the fear that eye is no more related (in relation) to form, that becoming, birth, stand on touch on the eye would no more arise.

The fear that ear is no more related to sound, that becoming, birth, stand on touch on the eye would no more arise.

There is the fear that nose is no more related to smell, that becoming, birth, stand on touch on the nose would no more arise.

There is the fear that tongue is no more related to tast, that becoming, birth, stand on touch on the tongue would no more arise.

There is the fear that body is no more related to bodily touch, that becoming, birth, stand on touch on the body would no more arise.

And there is the fear that intellect is no more related to thoughts, that becoming, birth, stand on touch on the intellect would no more arise.

Seeing this becoming, taking birth, taking stand on the senses as a refuge, a secure place to dwell, one stays in relation to Mara, in his dependency, in relation to birth, aging, sickness, and death and the whole mass of suffering. Holding on relation to Mara, on does not go forth, not leaving old relatives behind, one does not gain independency, stays caught in the circle of life.

Having not gained relation with the Noble domain, not bound to independency by having been touched by those three seldom appearing persons in the world, it's more than insecure to ever meet the change for dependency toward independency ever again in ones wandering on.
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Re: Fear of independence
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2019, 12:15:50 PM »
Sadhu, sadhu Bhante. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Here are some excerpts from the Buddha’s discourse on contemplation of dyads to drive the point home:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"Now, if there are any who ask, 'Would there be the right contemplation of dualities in yet another way?' they should be told, 'There would.' 'How would that be?' 'For one who is dependent, there is wavering': this is one contemplation. 'One who is independent doesn't waver': this is a second contemplation. For a monk rightly contemplating this duality in this way — heedful, ardent, & resolute — one of two fruits can be expected: either gnosis right here & now, or — if there be any remnant of clinging-sustenance — non-return."

That is what the Blessed One said. Having said that, the One Well-gone, the Teacher, said further:


One who's independent
doesn't
   waver.
One who's dependent,
clinging
   to this state here
   or anywhere else,
doesn't go beyond
   the wandering-on.
Knowing this drawback —
   the great danger in
   dependencies —
in-
dependent,
free from clinging,
   mindful the monk
   lives the wandering life.

"Now, if there are any who ask, 'Would there be the right contemplation of dualities in yet another way?' they should be told, 'There would.' 'How would that be?' 'Whatever is considered as "This is bliss" by the world with its devas, Maras, & Brahmas, with its contemplatives & brahmans, its royalty & commonfolk, is rightly seen as it actually is with right discernment by the noble ones as "This is stressful"': this is one contemplation. 'Whatever is considered as "This is stressful" by the world with its devas, Maras, & Brahmas, with its contemplatives & brahmans, its royalty & commonfolk, is rightly seen as it actually is with right discernment by the noble ones as "This is bliss"': this is a second contemplation. For a monk rightly contemplating this duality in this way — heedful, ardent, & resolute — one of two fruits can be expected: either gnosis right here & now, or — if there be any remnant of clinging-sustenance — non-return."

That is what the Blessed One said. Having said that, the One Well-gone, the Teacher, said further:


All sights, sounds, smells, tastes,
tactile sensations, & ideas
that are    welcome,
          appealing,
          agreeable —
as long as they're said
   to exist,
are supposed by the world
together with its devas
          to be bliss.
      But when they cease,
      they're supposed by them
          to be stress.
The stopping of self-identity
is viewed by the noble ones
      as bliss.
This is contrary
to what's seen
by the world as a whole.

What others say is blissful,
the noble ones say is stress.
What others say is stressful,
the noble know as bliss.
See the Dhamma, hard to understand!
   Here those who don't know
   are confused.
For those who are veiled,
   it's   darkness,
              blindness
   for those who don't see.
But for the good it is blatant,
like light
for those who see.
Though in their very presence,
they don't understand it —
dumb animals, unadept in the Dhamma.
It's not easy
for those overcome
   by passion for becoming,
flowing along
   in the stream of becoming,
falling under Mara's sway,
   to wake up
   to this Dhamma.

Who, apart from the noble,
is worthy to wake up
to this state? —
   the state that,
   through rightly knowing it,
   they're free from fermentation,
          totally
                  unbound.

That is what the Blessed One said. Gratified, the monks delighted in the Blessed One's words. And while this explanation was being given, the minds of 60 monks, through lack of clinging, were fully released from fermentation.

* Johann : replaced source with clean one.
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Re: Fear of independence
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2019, 02:01:48 PM »
There is good essay, by Ven Thanissaro, on the requirement of duality to get beyond it: Safety in a Duality , Nyom.

Either in wrong relation or thinking beyond before having gained relation gives only for seldom Paccecabuddhas spheres to gain it. Since a very modern appearance (long living in areas and sociaties of pseudo liberality), it's something importand for may.

* Johann : Nyom saddhamma , sources coming from the "Robin Hood" and his related host of thieves aren't really means of Dhamma in line with Dhamma, just if wondering why, if possible, replaced.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2019, 06:11:29 AM »
Dear Bhante,
Thank you for the link to Bhante Thanissaro’s essay. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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Re: Fear of independence
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2019, 06:37:48 AM »
It's (on the essence) very related to the OP. The total dependency on not only nessecary in regard of kusala but also the kalyanamitta, which is the primarily factor for awakening. If in dependency with those not aiming and headed to awakening, or arrived, what even gift isn't purified, doesn't lead to release and often increases bonds.

Something that makes it difficult for many today tracing more liberality in pseudo-liberality that lures with ease in material gains, which includes food for the intelligent.

There is one essay which has a very unfortunate title and with it suggestion that aims may be more of value as the means, by Bhante, called "Think like a thief ", which is a very missleading advice (althought the message of the words in it, isn't that much) also in regard of gaining understanding. It's not easy to trace the backwards before, but later one findes himself well bond by debts toward those heading for the world.

Sila, based on right view, is the cause of the path develops, not even intention for effort of the next factors required.

As the essay is merely just on the surface, it's nevertheless good to apply the message also on very refined issues, Nyom.
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