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2019 Nov 14 22:46:22
Johann: Atma leaves the paranimmita-vasavatti deva and nimmanarati deva now to find good birth by themself, no more power left.

2019 Nov 14 22:00:48
Cheav Villa: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 14 21:39:00
Johann: Duties and Silas are words of same meaning, denoting "proper conduct and giving in ones relations where ne desires to have a good and safe stand"

2019 Nov 14 21:25:51
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 14 21:21:02
Johann: May all have good rest at the end of day, done ones duties or even a blessed done merits after that as well. My person is now off of energy and good to rest as well.

2019 Nov 14 13:43:11
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 14 10:35:51
Johann: Respecting the Devas one gains their respect and protection.

2019 Nov 14 10:34:40
Johann: Bhante. (Meawmane is a spirit from a Server in Bangkok)

2019 Nov 14 10:28:52
Khemakumara: Nyom Meawmane

2019 Nov 14 10:27:53
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2019 Nov 13 20:44:51
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 13 20:28:20
Johann: Bhante  _/\_ Nyom, Nyom

2019 Nov 13 13:19:14
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 13 11:54:18
Johann: Mahā (written), not moha (following civil transliteration of khmer, very unuseful, better following pali transliteration) "Deluded Wisdom Monastery" could be understood while "Great Wisdom Monastery"  :)

2019 Nov 13 10:22:14
Johann: mudita

2019 Nov 13 09:56:41
Cheav Villa: Kana now at Panha Moha Viheara, waiting for  Bhikkuni

2019 Nov 13 09:47:10
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 12 08:01:41
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 12 05:35:02
Khemakumara:  Sīlena nibbutiṁ yanti. Through virtue they go to Unbinding. May it be a fruit-and pathful Uposatha day.

2019 Nov 11 16:41:52
Varado: Happily indeed we live, we, for whom there is [nowhere] anything at all. We will feed on rapture like the Ābhassarā devas. Dh.v.200.

2019 Nov 11 11:40:45
Johann: Ven. Sirs  _/\_ (Kana trust that leave for some rest will not reduce Bhantes releasing joy here)

2019 Nov 11 11:13:48
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 11 11:06:19
Johann: May it be an auspicious end of the Vassa of the Noble ones, a deep Anapanasati day today, for all conducting the full moon uposatha today.

2019 Nov 11 06:00:43
Johann: " Happy/peaceful the area/custom of the Arahats, craving and wandering on having layed aside"?

2019 Nov 11 03:22:11
Johann: Of which would mean what, Lok Ta, if not wishing to use google or not given means?

2019 Nov 10 23:54:03
Varado: Sukhino vata arahanto taṇhā tesaṃ na vijjati _/\_

2019 Nov 10 19:51:07
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 10 17:54:44
Johann: ភនតេ វ៉ាលិ

2019 Nov 10 14:42:47
Johann: Lok Ta  _/\_

2019 Nov 09 16:31:12
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 09 16:25:14
Johann: May Nyom and all have a safe travel

2019 Nov 09 16:03:41
Cheav Villa: Kana and kids Plan to go to Aural tomorrow, will leave Phnom Penh at 5am  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 09 15:41:39
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 09 15:37:40
Johann: Bhante Ariyadhammica, Nyom Villa

2019 Nov 09 15:35:16
Johann: Sadhu

2019 Nov 09 14:56:15
Varado: Homage to the Noble Sangha _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 09 14:55:15
Varado: Blessed is the arising of Buddhas. Blessed is the explaining of the true teaching. Blessed is concord in the community of bhikkhus. Of those in concord, blessed is their practice of austerity.

2019 Nov 09 14:53:06
Johann: Ven Grandfather, Nyom Annaleana,

2019 Nov 09 01:57:47
Moritz: Vandami, Bhante Varado _/\_

2019 Nov 09 01:43:05
Varado: Pūjā ca pūjanīyānaṃ

2019 Nov 09 00:44:14
Johann: Worthy those on path or reached the aim

2019 Nov 08 22:36:29
Varado: Homage to those elder bhikkhus of long-standing who have long gone forth, the fathers and leaders of the Sangha. _/\_

2019 Nov 08 20:16:23
Johann: May the Venerables allow my persons leave, running out of battery.  _/\_

2019 Nov 08 20:09:51
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu!

2019 Nov 08 20:09:14
Varado: Homage to Good Friends. For this is the entire holy life. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 08 20:07:04
Varado: Homage to the Good Friends. For this is the entire holy life. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 08 19:29:09
Varado: Thanks for summary. I send article on milk. Anything else?

2019 Nov 08 18:53:24
Varado: Also greed, hatred, and delusion. Tīni akusalamūlāni: lobho akusalamūlaṃ doso akusalamūlaṃ moho akusalamūlaṃ (D.3.214).

2019 Nov 08 18:36:34
Johann: So does it, so does it, for Bhikkhus, layman, laywoman as well. And what is the root of stinginess? Ingratitude (wrong view).

2019 Nov 08 18:30:56
Varado: Possessing five qualities, a bhikkhuni is deposited in hell as if brought there. What five? She is miserly with dwellings, families, gains, praise, and the Dhamma (A.3.139). Pañcahi bhikkhave dhammehi samannāgatā bhikkhunī yathābhataṃ nikkhittā evaṃ niraye: katamehi pañcahi: Āvāsamaccha

2019 Nov 08 18:23:39
Varado: Macchariya for lodgings, maybe?

2019 Nov 08 18:01:17
Johann: Kana saw that Bhikkhunis has even a rule in regard of macchariya, for Vineyya in their Vinaya.

2019 Nov 08 17:58:14
Johann: So does it dear Ven. Grandfather, so does it. Amacchariya is the domain of the Noble Ones, beginning by the stream to the complete of stinginess's root.

2019 Nov 08 17:51:33
Varado: Having eliminated the stain of stinginess together with its origin, they are beyond criticism.

2019 Nov 08 17:35:15
Johann: ...and "Vineyya maccheramalaṁ samūlaṁ aninditā"

2019 Nov 08 17:29:21
Johann: These Devas and Brahmas...  :) mudita

2019 Nov 08 16:53:41
Varado: May the Buddha bless you. May the Dhamma shine on you. May Wat Ayum be a refuge to many. For any possible help with questions, please email. My pleasure.

2019 Nov 08 13:55:57
Johann: ..."This shows that the Buddha would not be troubled by those who become angry and resentful, but by those who are strongly opinionated and who relinquish their views reluctantly...."

2019 Nov 08 09:27:01
Johann: Ven. Bhantes

2019 Nov 08 09:23:11
Khemakumara:   _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 08 06:26:12
Johann: It was four days after closing that decreased in last instance

2019 Nov 08 06:15:13
Moritz: The bot traffic is not decreasing.

2019 Nov 08 06:15:10
Johann: Ayasma Moritz

2019 Nov 08 06:14:53
Moritz: (was logged in long time before, but not at PC)

2019 Nov 08 06:14:52
Johann: Ayasama Moritz

2019 Nov 08 06:14:06
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 08 02:08:55
Moritz: Sadhu _/\_ May Bhante bear and overcome all sickness well _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 08 02:05:42
Khemakumara: Khantı paramaṁ tapo tītikkhā. Patient forbearance is the highest austerity

2019 Nov 08 02:01:46
Khemakumara: lack of energy because of sickness of the body (boils) Nyom Moritz

2019 Nov 08 01:53:48
Khemakumara: Meister Moritz

2019 Nov 08 01:52:12
Moritz: Hoping Bhante is well _/\_

2019 Nov 08 01:51:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante (Khemakumara) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 07 20:02:22
Johann: enery, battery saysfinish for now... may there be food for liberation be found and got touched by many independently.

2019 Nov 07 20:00:16
Johann: Every being, even without capacity to gain higher, is worthy of metta, worthy to be not harmed in existance, worthy to help in times of needing the four paccayas, Ven. Grandfather.

2019 Nov 07 19:37:39
Visitor: Let us treat those with Buddhanature with the respect appropriate to future Buddhas.

2019 Nov 07 19:01:03
Johann: Maybe an inspirig topic on the matter How should I express Mudita or Joy for all beings? for all having access (upanissaya).

2019 Nov 07 18:56:59
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu. That's how mudita is good understood in relation with "Buddhanature"

2019 Nov 07 18:54:52
Visitor: Homage to all those with Buddhanature. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 07 18:53:59
Visitor:  Homage to all the Buddhas.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 07 18:28:47
Johann: Dear lok ta Visitor

2019 Nov 07 17:29:02
Cheav Villa:  _/\_  _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 07 17:24:12
Johann: Don't worry either, yet perfect if visiting the Nuns. Mudita

2019 Nov 07 17:21:15
Cheav Villa: About the medicin called loṇasociraka, Kana will take time to go to Visit Wat Panha to ask her for detail  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 07 17:21:05
Johann: Cetana counts, the own one, Nyom.

2019 Nov 07 17:18:42
Johann: May Nyom not worry to much about it. My person guesses Nyom Chanroth might have lot of joy in the idea of planting. While Cacaco is fine, yet not a need or request, it's something that can be gained in shops.

2019 Nov 07 17:09:57
Cheav Villa: Kana now seen without Sila… someone could not tell the truth 

2019 Nov 07 17:01:13
Cheav Villa: Kana ordered 5kg via web, phoned them 2days ago but still no delivery cause of no confirmation since he still abroad now

2019 Nov 07 16:49:17
Cheav Villa: But the Cacao company in Mondolkiri doesnt allowed, they sale Cacao beans.

2019 Nov 07 16:47:38
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ as he informed to bring only Cacao fruits for Bhante could make and use of medecine againts Malaria

2019 Nov 07 16:20:48
Johann: Indeed releasing investigation cause hunger and no food can be expected at the end as well.

2019 Nov 07 16:18:35
Johann: When homeless effort is requested, no joy in sacrificing into it. Oh this monks... of modern world.  :)

2019 Nov 07 16:16:59
Johann: Oh this monks  :) When household effort can be made for favor and house, all engaged...

2019 Nov 07 14:17:18
Johann: Āyasmā Moritz (Master, a usual address for skilled lay people in the Tipitaka)

2019 Nov 06 17:27:06
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2019 Nov 06 17:23:52
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Nov 06 17:23:46
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Nov 06 00:13:12
Vithou:  _/\_

2019 Nov 05 22:47:19
Moritz: Hello Visitor! _/\_

2019 Nov 05 16:44:34
Johann: ...and that is good! Cacao

2019 Nov 05 16:31:04
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ :)

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Author Topic: Last Generation, last Arahat, outrunning Buddhasasana, ending of relations  (Read 412 times)

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Quote from: Upasika Villa in the talk-box
Osaka Vadami Bhante  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Kana would ask about the Sublime Sangha in this period is real last the one Arahats Sangha!  _/\_ _/\_

Sadhu, Nyom Cheav Villa

There are many opinions and different perceptions on this matter. Generally said, the Buddha didn't gave much general absolute predictions but explained all in manners of cause and effect: "from this comes that, with the arising of this, that arises, decay of this, this decays".

But my person thinks it's much more proper to ask the Venerables dwelling here first:

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Okasa Venerable Grandfather Varado ,
Venerabe Indaññāno ,
Venerable Ariyadhammika ,

Upasika Villa approached the Sublime Sangha, venerated and asked: "Is this time now really the last generation of the Savaka Sangha, the last generation of having an Arahat within the Sangha?".

It would be good if the Venerables, out of compassion, would share their merits in knowledge and vision in regard of the period of decay of the Savaka Sangha.

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The Venerables might be busy or hindered. Assuming that taking leave here is welcome, my person takes leave, looking forward that the Venerables will assist in proper explaining as soon as possible.

Nyom Cheav Villa , as told before Dhamma is all about cause and effect of which is not total determined but can always be corrected in the present. That is one thing. If we miss out this, there is less motivation for putting an effort, here in maintaining something that has arose.

So generally my person does not like certain explainings by certain branches, which follow a kind of timeline found in the commentaries. If remembering right, they say that "we" live already in a time where the highest attainment is Sotapanna.

If following such predictions, and assume that when there is no more Arahat within the Sangha, who acts as Nissaya, it would be actually the case that the Savaka Sangha within the conventional Sangha of Bhikkhus already had died out according the timeline and the end of Arahataphala, many many years, centuries ago, at least a Sangha where Arahat are present.

The underlying justification here is, that a lower could hardly train another higher then himself. And if we look at Vinaya, instructor and teacher, next to other qualifications, would need to have conducts like an Arahat.

That is possible the reason why in most areas of SEAsia, incl. Cambodia, people at broad, incl. monks, assume that there are no more Ariya-puggala within the Sangha (meaning also in the world for them).

That would be a very demotivating situation and is actually also the reason why popular teacher focus on next worlds for attainings rather to motivate for effort right here and now.

As non-action, especially in regard of Sila, Samadhi, Panna, i.e. renouncing, leaving home/stand, is most harmful even for a good in the world, it's in no way useful to maintein a perception of "no more" or "no more possible", but the other extreme of "we have another 2500, or what ever long time, time" actually leads to the same inaction and lazyness. In any case, the most secure bet here is always, at any time, even if all seems perfect here, "this is the last change".

That's the "psychology" and drive found all over the teachings of the Buddha. When "enemies" are not seen, when dangers are not seen, when the hair on the head does not burn, no effort for a better or beyond would be made. If in a stage of ease and not an Arahat, one may be sure that this is the lure of Mara "don't worry".

So at first place the Buddha or a wise teacher, guide, would always point and remind on decay, suffering, insecurity, even then when all seems fine.

Who ever teaches the first or the second view causes "Dhamma-danger" gives many food for turning toward inaction or to focus on worldly attainments. In German such would be called "Teufelskreislauf" which could be translated to "Mara-spiral".

This is the reason why we don't find much on determined predictions in dependency of just time. Yet what we know and can trust is, that all Sang/kharas have an end.

Here now is the point where food for pāsāda need to be placed to move, seeing the back burning and the most evident sign for "hope" is a gained perception of refuge, Sangha.

That lead now to the need to remember that the "world of reality" is different for every person, being.

For a person who has rightly gained the perception of the Savaka Sangha, this world here and now isn't void of such a Sangha. Having gained, by right touch, the perception of an Arahat, of Arahats, ones world isn't void of Arahats.

So let my person stop here with the more importand question whether Nyom has already met, has met the Savaka Sangha, possible an Arahat, already, so that she has already a clear perception. Has she?

If so, this, her world, isn't empty of Savaka Sangha yet, is not void of Arahats, but that is total not for sure for her possible next world. She could come back and would neither find desired or already gained relatives or parents.

That is why the focus should be not on "is" or "is not" but on "become" and "maintain already gained.

So maybe Nyom likes, after having read and investigate till here, to answer and give account, tell if that is clear till this stage.
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I Prah Karuna have already met the Arahat Sangha. I kana could not find desired in Parents or relatives elsewhere, when following the Arahat now. But seen Dukkha if not gained higher before the time of Sang/kharas have an end.

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Nyom Cheav Villa , now as you are blessed to have met the Savaka Sangha and the Domain of the Arahats:

Are those Arahats and the Savaka Sangha are up to leaving, to establish a dwelling in the world or up to come back? Do they appear in this world to dwell with those bound to the world or just leaving a trace behind that can be followed, if conducting in their ways?
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The Arahat and the Savaka Sangha
are leaving, even dwelling in the world never come back. The Savaka Sangha had Appearing in the world to made end of Dukkha leaving a trace behind that can be followed, if conducting in thier ways.

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Nyom Cheav Villa

So is it, that for one having gained relation, a footing in the dethless, seeing that there is an escape, the Savaka Sangha head off this world.

And it's by nature of those having wrong perception, that they stay bound in the world, seeking and holding refuge to what ever they assume as being one.

It's not possible for one who has no relation to the Buddha, no Upanissaya toward the Arahats, that such one could ever trace Noble Ones.

Once the living stream of Savakas runs out, get's broken. Once there are no more pabbajito, living a live without home and stand, then Vinaya disapears, is no more understood, when lived Vinaya disappears, the true Dhamma (the understanding) disappears as well.

Being there no more Sasana (= Sangha), no more "social network", common people hardly ever can increase Upanissaya. Yet there might still appear Noble Ones but no more within a "formal" Sangha, for whom could ordain such. If total runned out, paccekabuddha will still provide for some possibilities to increase Upanissaya.

So again, once having found a footing, there is no more much to think about the future of the world as being are heirs of their kamma. One head after the Savakas and what might follow, follows.

Even if "just" reached the first stage, it's very seldom that one would return to the plane of humans.

For those who rest, thinking "oh, let's make it later, fix the problems of the world first, such has neither met the Savaka Sangha, nor would he/she easily and that is why it is said:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"Monks, these two are fools. Which two? The one who takes up a burden that hasn't fallen to him, and the one who doesn't take up a burden that has. These two are fools."

As Nyom proper said: "...leaving a trace behind that can be followed, if conducting in thier ways."

And this are some accounts the Buddha gave, listed in the

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Welfare of the Bhikkhus

6. Then, soon after Vassakara's departure, the Blessed One addressed the Venerable Ananda thus: "Go now, Ananda, and assemble in the hall of audience as many bhikkhus as live around Rajagaha."

"Very well, Lord." And the Venerable Ananda did as he was requested and informed the Blessed One: "The community of bhikkhus is assembled, Lord. Now let the Blessed One do as he wishes."

Thereupon the Blessed One rose from his seat, went up to the hall of audience, took his appointed seat there, and addressed the bhikkhus thus: "Seven conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they assemble frequently and in large numbers;
  • meet and disperse peacefully and attend to the affairs of the Sangha in concord;
  • so long as they appoint no new rules, and do not abolish the existing ones,
  • but proceed in accordance with the code of training (Vinaya) laid down;
  •   so long as they show respect, honor, esteem, and veneration towards the elder bhikkhus, those of long standing, long gone forth, the fathers and leaders of the Sangha, and think it worthwhile to listen to them;
  • so long as they do not come under the power of the craving that leads to fresh becoming;
  • so long as they cherish the forest depths for their dwellings;
  • so long as they establish themselves in mindfulness, so that virtuous brethren of the Order who have not come yet might do so, and those already come might live in peace;


so long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

7. "Seven further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they do not delight in, are not pleased with, and are not fond of activities, talk, sleep, and company;
  • so long as they do not harbor, do not come under the spell of evil desires;
  • have no bad friends, associates, or companions;
  • and so long as they do not stop halfway on account of some trifling achievement.


So long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

Seven Good Qualities [6]

8. "Seven further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they shall have faith,
  • so long as they have moral shame
  • and fear of misconduct,
  • are proficient in learning,
  • resolute,
  • mindful,
  • and wise.


So long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus, and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

Seven Factors of Enlightenment [7]

9. "Seven further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus, so long as they cultivate the seven factors of enlightenment, that is:

  • mindfulness,
  • investigation into phenomena,
  • energy,
  • bliss,
  • tranquillity,
  • concentration,
  • and equanimity.


So long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus, and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

Seven Perceptions

10. "Seven further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they cultivate the perception of impermanence,
  • of egolessness,
  • of (the body's) impurity,
  • of (the body's) wretchedness,
  • of relinquishment,
  • of dispassion,
  • and of cessation.


So long, bhikkhus, as these seven conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus, and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

Six Conditions to be Remembered [8]

11. "Six further conditions leading to welfare I shall set forth, bhikkhus. Listen and pay heed to what I shall say."

"So be it, Lord."

"The growth of the bhikkhus is to be expected, not their decline, bhikkhus,

  • so long as they attend on each other with loving-kindness in deed, word, and thought, both openly and in private;
  • so long as in respect of what they receive as due offerings, even the contents of their alms bowls, they do not make use of them without sharing them with virtuous members of the community;
  • so long as, in company with their brethren, they train themselves, openly and in private, in the rules of conduct, which are complete and perfect, spotless and pure, liberating, praised by the wise, uninfluenced (by mundane concerns), and favorable to concentration of mind;
  • and in company with their brethren, preserve, openly and in private, the insight that is noble and liberating, and leads one who acts upon it to the utter destruction of suffering.


So long, bhikkhus, as these six conditions leading to welfare endure among the bhikkhus, and the bhikkhus are known for it, their growth is to be expected, not their decline.

But again, those lines of cause and effect are not given to speculate much around and take a stand in "is" or "is not", but simply to be urged by the signs clear pointing out that it's running out and so more the wisely to use the leaving train.

Without simply following the seen track, saying "oh, over" or "oh, still time", both leads to the equivalent perception, perceiving is then cause of act.

If another Arahat, a Savaka, one of the 4 Samanas, not the fifth, at least, one leaves a trace behind for others, those who do and can.

Good to establish oneself in the Pure Adobes, the dwelling of the No-returner and Arahats in this very existance, and nothing really hinders one, once having got the proper perception, better having seen.

So who likes to invest in undertakings like 5000-years? And who actually leaves a track behind?
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I Kana got the Accounts.
I Prah Karuna would like to invest in whom actually arrived at the Shore of the Arahant, actually leaves a trace behind.
I kana may take the possible time now, request to the Sublime Arahant Sangha mays the Savaka Sangha " live long " (Long period of time) and Prosper. for All living being.

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So, if one truly wishes for such, one does not only rest at the first stage of sage, but progress, gives into, the highest to reach, so that the trace may not disappear for later generations of those bound, near, to one. Whether lay or in robes, the Noble Eightfold path can be walked till the highest from both and by becoming worthy of gifts, one arrived at paths or fruits, a receiver purifies gifts, others are able to gain relation, of what wouldn't work for giving and taking among worldlings.

Mudita with all those understanding "help/do skillful/let go of the aggregates by/for yourself first", goodness for the world behind is a natural side-product anyway, no need to worry about it what isn't ones own, not, no more, taken as such.

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

“It’s not the earth property that makes the True Dhamma disappear. It’s not the water property… the fire property… the wind property that makes the True Dhamma disappear.230 It’s worthless people who arise right here [within the Saṅgha] who make the True Dhamma disappear. The True Dhamma doesn’t disappear the way a ship sinks all at once.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

“Monks, these five future dangers, unarisen at present, will arise in the future. Be alert to them and, being alert, work to get rid of them. Which five?

“There will be, in the course of the future, monks desirous of fine robes. They, desirous of fine robes, will neglect the practice of wearing cast-off cloth; will neglect isolated forest & wilderness dwellings; will move to towns, cities, & royal capitals, taking up residence there. For the sake of a robe they will do many kinds of unseemly, inappropriate things.

“This, monks, is the first future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“And further, in the course of the future there will be monks desirous of fine food. They, desirous of fine food, will neglect the practice of going for alms; will neglect isolated forest & wilderness dwellings; will move to towns, cities, & royal capitals, taking up residence there and searching out the tip-top tastes with the tip of the tongue. For the sake of food they will do many kinds of unseemly, inappropriate things.

“This, monks, is the second future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“And further, in the course of the future there will be monks desirous of fine lodgings. They, desirous of fine lodgings, will neglect the practice of living in the wilds; will neglect isolated forest & wilderness dwellings; will move to towns, cities, & royal capitals, taking up residence there. For the sake of lodgings they will do many kinds of unseemly, inappropriate things.

“This, monks, is the third future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“And further, in the course of the future there will be monks who will live in close association with nuns, female trainees, & female novices. As they interact with nuns, female trainees, & female novices, they can be expected either to lead the holy life dissatisfied or to fall into one of the defiling offenses, leaving the training, returning to a lower way of life.

“This, monks, is the fourth future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“And further, in the course of the future there will be monks who will live in close association with monastery attendants & novices. As they interact with monastery attendants & novices, they can be expected to live committed to many kinds of stored-up possessions and to making large boundary posts for fields & crops.

“This, monks, is the fifth future danger, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to it and, being alert, work to get rid of it.

“These, monks, are the five future dangers, unarisen at present, that will arise in the future. Be alert to them and, being alert, work to get rid of them.”

That the True Dhamma Might Last a Long Time: Readings Selected by King Asoka
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