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2020 Jan 17 10:29:19
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Moritz: _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:34:30
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:31:02
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, may happiness come to fullfillment, all

2020 Jan 12 21:27:15
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_ Visitor _/\_

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Cheav Villa:  Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:26:06
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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Moritz: Visitor _/\_

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Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

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Johann: Good on working isn't a bad reservation. Sokh chomreoun

2020 Jan 12 21:16:12
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2020 Jan 12 17:24:45
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2020 Jan 11 21:30:11
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2020 Jan 11 21:27:10
Johann: On the other side it's just visible for Aramika, so also fine to leave it as it is.

2020 Jan 11 21:18:06
Johann: but possible good to change it, since looking of course strange

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Johann: The visitor account, since enail needed, has Atmas email, yes. Nothing wrong, Nyom.

2020 Jan 11 21:10:13
Cheav Villa: Mr. Visitor is using Bhante mail on Sangham ^-^ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 11 17:28:39
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Johann: Well then. Mudita. And to use old account is also no problem, or a new one.

2020 Jan 11 17:13:25
Visitor:  *sgift* Will return soon. will share one from lot.  :) Stay healthy. Be happy.

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Johann: Sure, why not? An also sure that Atma will try what ever possible that Nyom-Deva would take on existance where Dhamma can completely comprehended. My Nyom do as he feels fit and inspired.

2020 Jan 11 17:03:02
Visitor: For I am out of community and practice to be independent too -- decided when couldn't find Gem(liberated one, buddha, venerable).

2020 Jan 11 17:00:13
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2020 Jan 11 16:57:53
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2020 Jan 11 16:55:26
Johann: It's importand, aside of the deva-messangers, birth, sickness, aging death, to meet the Buddha, Arahat, Samana, so that real Saddha may arise. Books hardly can provide such "it's not just a story"

2020 Jan 11 16:50:04
Visitor: Practice leads to experience -coming slowly-2 me already. Did uncle find any Gems(Ven. Buddha) to associate with?

2020 Jan 11 16:45:42
Johann: Only by practicing and association with the Gems can Dhamma be gained. Consuming 1000 book wouldn't help

2020 Jan 11 16:43:02
Johann: What does one, seeing his decay, keep him from sharing?

2020 Jan 11 16:41:31
Johann: Giving ways to let others give is also a-maccariya

2020 Jan 11 16:39:42
Johann: And books are lasting? Sharing about oldage, sickness and death is teaching the 1 Noble truth very real, or?

2020 Jan 11 16:35:58
Visitor: What does old uncle want to offer when he is also impermanent? Dhamma-it's already in books! Experience-it will come soon to me too.

2020 Jan 11 16:30:29
Johann: If needing something, just let it be known (any language

2020 Jan 11 16:29:50
Johann: Nyom unknown

2020 Jan 11 16:28:47
Visitor:  *thumb* :-\ :( ;-) *gift*

2020 Jan 11 08:13:55
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2020 Jan 11 08:11:25
Moritz: Oh, I just wanted to write something to you, Bong Villa. But now have to go, driving taxi. ^-^ Later. _/\_ Chom reap leah

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Johann: May those keeping the full moon Uposatha today, spend an auspicious time engaged in merits

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Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 09 18:57:51
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Johann: No problem at all.

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Johann: Atma wrote: Oh, master Moritz celebrates his Birthday today. And if remembering right, just one day before Mastress Sophorn.

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2020 Jan 09 16:10:58
Johann: oh that is bad: Nyom needs to cite Thor Twai bpngum 5 times

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2020 Jan 09 06:16:07
Johann: A blessed Uposatha those who maintain it today

2020 Jan 09 04:50:31
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2020 Jan 07 21:05:36
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2020 Jan 07 17:50:15
Johann: 3 robes (2 and 1 two-layer as it may be cold) and if the Sangha, out of compassion would give full ordination before leaving, this would be outstanding blessing for the Sangha, counting a non-returner in their community..

2020 Jan 07 17:45:55
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2020 Jan 07 17:42:18
Johann: It'[ good if both strong Asthmatics have enought and right inhalation spray with them, since strong fires will come soon, althought they feel great for now.

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2020 Jan 07 17:24:05
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Author Topic: A single bowing down can be the cause for paths and even highest fruits!  (Read 524 times)

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What does valued Guest, or anybody else think? Would that statement hold and if, under which conditions?

What kind of bowing down, giving up, by thoughts, speech and body is capable to make Noble Ones?
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Dear Bhante,
Thank you for the question. Since Bhante may have his own interpretations and ideas of the terms used in Bhante's question based on traditions, may Bhante allow me to caste the terms in the perspective of the suttas so that there is no ambiguity about how the Buddha defines them. If I take "bowing down" to be Bhante's translation of payirupāsati, and "make Noble Ones" as experiencing the four noble truths (Saccānubodha - at least a sotapanna), then the Buddha gives the answer to Bhante's question in the Canki sutta (MN 95) as requiring the following conditions:
  • Investigating the bodily and verbal behavior of the person with respect to greed, hatred and delusion and investigating the dhamma the person teaches to see if it is the well-proclaimed dhamma of the Buddha (saddhamma), which is deep (gambhīro), difficult to see (duddaso), difficult to know (duranubodho), peaceful (santo), excellent (paṇīto), beyond the scope of logical-reasoning (atakkāvacaro), subtle (nipuṇo), directly experienced by the wise (paṇḍitavedanīyo).
  • Placing faith in the person whose bodily and verbal behavior are free from greed, hatred and delusion and who teaches the well-proclaimed dhamma of the Buddha (saddhamma).
  • Approaching/frequenting such a person
  • Paying respects (bowing down)
  • Lending ear to listen to the saddhamma
  • Hearing the saddhamma
  • Memorizing the saddhamma as you have heard it
  • Examining the meaning of the saddhamma as you have heard and memorized it [not according to traditional interpretations]
  • Gaining reflective acceptance of the teachings
  • Arousing desire
  • Bracing your self for the needed endurance
  • Assessing the effort needed [attainment of Nibbana is not for the slack. It is not something that takes little strength as advised by Venerable Mahamoggallana]
  • Striving
  • Resolutely striving to realise with the body the supreme truth and see it by penetrating it with the dhamma eye (dhammacakkhu) of wisdom

On the subject of proper "bowing down" in honor of the Buddha, Dhamma and Ariya Sangha, the Buddha makes it very clear in the Mahāparinibbāna sutta (DN 16) that it is only those bhikkhus or bhikkhunis or upasakas or upasikas who dwell practicing the Dhamma in accordance with the Dhamma, having entered upon the proper path, living in line with the Dhamma— honor, respect, revere, venerate, and esteem the Buddha [the Dhamma and the Ariya Sangha] with the highest honor.

I hope this answers Bhante's question.
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Sadhu Nyom saddhamma

Atma thought like ever to inspire to focus reflextion on own, inwardly, aspects of what it takes to really bow down.

As it is a matter, this bowing down, like the leaving home and stand: may Nyom don't waste his time. It's already November and althought it takes actually just very short time, even to physical bow down, leave stand, most will never ever bow down, never face the Dhamma with proper attention and wandering on from home to home, taking defiled perceptions as refuge, their khandhas.

Go on good householder, don't wast time in travel around and where Saddhamma can not be found.

May he, if he wishes to share his merits of having found refuge, later then return and do so.

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Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Bhante's advise about seizing this wonderful opportunity to be raised up from the low life is most welcome. May Bhante not underestimate the time it takes to untangle from the household life.

Bhante is quite correct that saddhamma is quickly disappearing as predicted by the Buddha. Proponents of saddhamma who resort to remote lodgings and devote themselves to the higher mind in accordance with the Buddha's instructions cannot be found on the internet, thus my travel plans to fulfill condition #1. There is also the potential for experiencing the benefits of periodic wanderings as described by the Buddha.


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* Johann : Somehow householder think that Monks fall from heaven and do not know. It's only real leaving house when doing quick and it's no problem to leave thing behind. Remember Ven. Yasa or even Ven. Maha Kassapa (did theu check out to further control their left behind and where to go, take another house?). If planing it's just going after another house and may Nyom be sure that the Buddha had no thought of later delight in wandering on. That's not for sure, especially today, if really having given up relaying on being citizen or part of common society. Sure there is the kind of travel from one resort to another. "saddhamma who resort to remote lodgings and devote themselves to the higher mind in accordance with the Buddha's instructions cannot be found on the internet", sure? Of course not outside punna kiriya vatthu (in trade spheres). Sometimes some find remote areas, given areas, where such can dwell.
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As just having seen that Bhante Aggacitta wrote a book on refuge after having been clear about the different of perfection (an defiled construct for an "firm on householder") and the required "living perception", Saddhindriya, Saddha/Saddhā is the near cause for being able to bow down, give up, so that it could effect fruits and path.

And what is the cause of pasāda? (Dukkha) Saṁvega, is the cause of going for refuge, and with it the whole path develops (Dhammajāta, Jhāna).

It worthy for assistance, to read the generous gift of Respect, Confidence and Patient , especially for those coming from a modern, marxist, post-modern background of Buddhism (Vipassana-movement and "dry" Suttanta).
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Thanks again Bhante, for the many encouragements.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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