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Author Topic: Relay on what and whom?  (Read 932 times)

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Re: Relay on what and whom?
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2019, 06:01:29 PM »
And just to inform forther: telling a monk: "go and ask" or thinking "if he desires, needs, he can do as well as we common do" isn't really of much merits in all circumstances. Does Nyom think that those near or in the Noble Domain desire of what "householders" hold on, and go after it?

May Bhante forgive me if my offer to provide Bhante contact information was offensive. Bhante mentioned that Bhante already asked BPS. I was just pointing out to Bhante that BPS are the wrong owners to ask, and only wished to point Bhante to the right owners if Bhante was still interested in asking.

Nothing to ask for pardon if with good intention. And no demands on possible given. But, as Nyom thinks to know possible ways well: How could a monk, without fault, without reason for remorse, approach an householder, even a trader, and ask for his goods? And how does it looks for the world when Monks ask for Dhamma in householder Domain? Good to forget common ways if wishing to understand the Noble Domain. Yet good as well for Nyom to get sure that being given, still able, still in different spheres, for making progress toward a more refine, if wishing so.

It's not custom in this tradition, not even in good areas, to approach neighbors in the afternoon and consume uninvited.
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Re: Relay on what and whom?
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2019, 06:18:30 PM »
Thanks for forgiving Bhante.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

And thanks for adding Cunda the smith sutta (Snp 1.5) on this thread. It is such a delectable discourse, a real ambrosia, nourishing and refreshing!

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Re: Relay on what and whom?
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2019, 06:35:31 PM »
Thanks for forgiving Bhante.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

And thanks for adding Cunda the smith sutta (Snp 1.5) on this thread. It is such a delectable discourse, a real ambrosia, nourishing and refreshing!

Even this Dhamma, if having wrong perceptions and not further explained, if received in wrong circumstances, can be of more harm then help for a not so wise and just feeding his defilement, Nyom. Can be additional food for rebel.

It's in as far "badly" translated, as "Any householder" speaks actually of Noble Ones, such relativations, soft and even more, are usual in Dhamma-giving for doing a favor, for trade.

So maybe good if answering the topic "Relay on what and whom?" in short, after the many food for thoughts:

One, seeking for long term happiness, should relay on unrelated to world bonds, real giver, and on what is given by this goodness, to gain the liberal Domain for oneself. Relaying on given for release and abstain from different.

Sīlena sugatiṃ yanti.

Through virtue they go to a good bourn.

Sīlena bhoga-sampadā.

Through virtue is wealth attained.

Sīlena nibbutiṃ yanti.

Through virtue they go to Liberation.

Tasmā sīlaṃ visodhaye.

Therefore we should purify our virtue.


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Re: Relay on what and whom?
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2019, 03:59:50 AM »
Sīlena sugatiṃ yanti.

Through virtue they go to a good bourn.

Sīlena bhoga-sampadā.

Through virtue is wealth attained.

Sīlena nibbutiṃ yanti.

Through virtue they go to Liberation.

Tasmā sīlaṃ visodhaye.

Therefore we should purify our virtue.


Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu Bhante for bringing in the topic of virtue, so relevant to this discussion on public donations usage. This dhamma quote that Bhante has provided is another ambrosia of the saddhamma on the benefits of noble virtue, so nourishing and refreshing.

I am sure Bhante already know that for one to possess the aggregate of noble virtue which lead to noble right liberation, noble right view must come first. Virtue defiled by the three lower fetters is susceptible to fueling extreme views based on virtue. A good example is the view that Bhante has formed about the tradition of the Noble Ones being against making proper use of public donations, although the Buddha has not laid down such a rule. Such a view is beset with suffering, leading to stabbing others who are not of the same view with verbal daggers. Even with examples in the vinayapitaka showing precedence for monastic usage of public donations, Bhante still insists on a view that overshoots what is considered to be proper usage in the world.

Perhaps the Gaṇikā sutta from Udana 6.8 can help Bhante to see the danger in the extremes that relying on virtue without noble right view can lead to.

Here I offer a translation of the udana 6.8 verses only.  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

yañca pattaṃ yañca pattabbaṃ
That which is attained and that which should be attained,

ubayametaṃ rajānukiṇṇaṃ āturassānusikkhato.
both these are strewn with stain by the miserable one in [wrong] training.       

ye ca sikkhāsārā,
Those for whom the training rules is the essence,

sīlabbatajīvitabrahmacariyaupaṭṭhānasārā,
[taking] virtue and observances, life of celibacy, and service as the essence,   

ayameko anto.
this is one extreme.

ye ca evaṃvādino: 'natthi kāmesu doso'ti
And those who say this: 'there is no fault in sensual pleasures',

ayaṃ dutiyo anto.
this is the second extreme.

iccete ubho antā kaṭasivaḍḍhanā.
Thus both these extremes swell the cemeteries.

kaṭasiyo diṭṭhiṃ vaḍḍhenti.
And the cemeteries keep wrong view in motion.

ete te ubho ante anabiññāya
For those who have no direct knowledge of both these extremes,

oliyanti eke atidhāvanti eko.
some lag behind and some go too far.
                                                               
ye ca kho te abhiññāya
But they for whom there is direct knowledge,
                                                               
tatra ca nāhesuṃ tena ca na maññiṃsu.
there does not come to be that-by-which there, and no conceiving therein.       
                                                               
vaṭṭaṃ tesaṃ natthi paññāpanāyā ti.
For those there is no round for designation.

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Re: Relay on what and whom?
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2019, 06:34:55 AM »
It's not possible to receive things of which are strong reasons that the giver hasn't obtained the gift in proper ways, given by the real owner, but origins popossible out of the sphere of concealment of stolen goods. Perceiving so, receiving would be a transgression. And also the aspect of told relation between disciple and teacher, in regard of use from outside the relation is something to consider, if wishing to maintain a relation build on trust and loyalty.

Relation is voluntary, yet love without marriage doesn't work for a good.

Good householder from Ghana, Nyom Ebo, calling himself saddhamma without having been given possible by what ever parents, says correct that my person often uses strong language of which can possible hurt if of less trust and faith, strong annoying for fools, caught in much conceit, and often hard to digest. Yet he also does not encourage to follow, since if in dependency could limit ones relations, wealth an honor.

May Nyom be sure, that modern views and communism arent in the frame of right and grasping the snake on the tail will hurt.

And even my person often engages in burdensome talks on generosity with people without, virtue with people without... it also has it's limits when no slight qualities are seen, basic right view is missed. May Nyom follow the modern ideas and productivity and consume over the path and Noble Domain.

And just to get known, should a Monk rest and dwell in anothers domain without given, without having asked the owner, he conducts a fault. Also when he would leave it, without saying anything. It's not possible to pull the Noble Domain, real liberal, into Villages and their binding conducts for consume and ideas of purify by means of food.

The are significat differents between "beggar" and "social benefit fraud/benefit scrounger", even between virtues trader (householder) and "benefit scrounger", who, even if not in need, prefer to take not really given then to lighten their bonds and debt. Neither of glory nor of shine, the Uposatha of the cow-boys and faceless (Jains). The secound is called thief.

Certain domain, when get oc-copy-ed with strong wrong degenerating tendencies, doesn't change, it simply disappears, is no more present in this world build from conceit, and batched by bones.
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Re: Relay on what and whom?
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2019, 08:49:38 AM »
Metta to Everyone.
thanks for discussion.
Now I am taking leave from sangham.net.

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Re: Relay on what and whom?
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2019, 09:30:52 AM »
May Wanderer Vivek have a successful journey and arrives there what seeking for. May he also keep in mind that taking refuge is always possible as long this domain remains in it's original purpose.
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Re: Relay on what and whom?
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2019, 10:13:04 AM »
It's by the means of perceiving the Gems as Sublime by good householders, that they are capable to use reflecting on them for cleansing the mind and reach borderlands, but there are also those who use them to cover their dirt up and to gain some beauty for better dealling with their weak stands while staying in outer lands. Using them as makeup for low trades and to try to make their confused views shine.

There is no security if abounding right view and virtue, thinking already dwell amoung highered path. Even Arahat do not abound what is the safe bet for those not knowing not seeing yet.

Adding since possible useful for clear understanding on the matter "not given"

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

...[224] Bhikkhus, endowed with forty things as though led and lain is in hell. What forty?

Here, bhikkhus, a certain one destroys living things, rouses others to destroy living things gives permission to destroy living things and praises the destruction of living things. Takes the not given rouses others to take the not given, gives permission to take the not given and praises taking the not given....
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