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migration of websites to different hosting provider
« on: November 25, 2019, 11:24:30 PM »
_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Venerable members of the Sangha,
valued, kalyanamittā and interested,

I am currently in progress of trying to set up everything necessary for migrating sangham.net, accesstoinsight.eu, zugangzureinsicht.org to a different provider.

Some things not yet so familiar with, but certainly able to do in principle. I am going to describe the process here to make it re-tracable and as possibility for others maybe more knowledgeable to provide hints and suggestions.


The new proposed server is located in Nuremburg, in data center of hosting company Hetzner. It is a (for now) a VPS (virtual private server) with product name "CX31".
Hardware specifications:
  • 2 vcpus ("virtual cpus": each vcpu should be equivalent in performance to an Intel Xeon E5 at 2.0 GHz, according to documentation , not sure how accurate)
  • 8 GB RAM
  • 80 GB hard disk space (used not only for the websites, but also for the operating system and all required software; can be upgraded easily and without much cost)
  • 20 TB per month (TB = terabyte = 1000 gigabyte) downstream traffic (200 times as much as currently on Greensta servers), upstream unlimited

Virtual private server , meaning it is on a machine (or more likely even multiple
distributed machines) shared with other clients, but sandboxed in its own "private" environment in a "virtual" way, so that it looks and behaves like a real self-contained independent single machine, and can be treated and managed as such.
So from a practical perspective, it looks and behaves much like a dedicated
server
, i.e. a real physical single machine, dedicated for a single client's use, leaving full control over operating system, services running on the machine, etc. in the hands of the client.
Different from the current hosting on Greensta, the whole system with all software on it has to be set up and managed by oneself.

I believe this server would be resourceful enough to host the websites sangham.net, accesstoinsight.eu, zugangzureinsicht.org and more if
needed, and run the necessary stack of software behind and around everything, while still leaving much room for additions. In case more resources are needed, it can be easily upgraded at any time.

The reasons for choosing Hetzner:
- located in Germany (and Finland), easy to reach (by me) by phone for support
- good reputation (seen more convincing positive than negative reviews, negative were mostly regarding the branch in South Africa, which operates independently)
- using 100% "clean energy", similar like Greensta, according to website
- good price in comparison

The reasons for choosing a VPS, not a dedicated server, or managed webhosting (like now on Greensta):
- VPS, although having less raw power than a dedicated server, is more failsafe in case of hardware failure, having safety and redundancy
measures in place so that everything would still run smoothly on the surface, while the machinery behind might be repaired/replaced, etc. It
is easily upgradable, if needing more resources, mostly even "on the fly" without having to shut down the server for a hardware upgrade.
Both VPS and dedicated server provide full control over the (physical or virtual) machine. Managing the whole server oneself requires more work
than simple managed webhosting, but provides infinitely more possibilities to run everything on it as one needs or wants.


The current hosting on Greensta, if now soon terminated, would still run with all included packages until 2020/04/01 (April 1st, 2020). So there would be enough time to set up and migrate everything.


Technical/installation needs:

- classical LAMP stack (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP), based on Ubuntu 18.04 image provided by Hetzner: already installed

- E-Mail server and web interface: thinking of using iRedMail to set up everything, including RoundCube web interface for email (same as what is used by Greensta).

- SSL certificates: used for securely encrypted traffic/communication, but mostly, for practical purposes, just to appear "trustworthy" nowadays, where use of SSL becomes more and more common and even required in certain places, possibly even by law in certain cases. So I think it would be good to have such certificates in place.
Certificates can be very expensive. I still don't understand this whole market, and why certain providers are more or less expensive than others when acting as "trusted authority". If I understand correctly there are also certain popular and well-reputed "free" SSL certificate providers/"trusted authorities". Not sure I understand correctly. The most familiar name in this area of "free" SSL certificates would be "Let's Encrypt" . I still have to read up on this, how it all works to register and set it up, and what the possible "hooks" may be.
Possibly someone else more knowledgeable in this area could fill certain gaps of understanding here. Avuso Vivek perhaps? Or our trusted administrative forefather Admin , Dmytro?


Surely there are more details to think about, and also many additional possibilities like just mentioned idea by Bhante Johann about a Dhamma "Github" alternative .
Possibly, a second server might be practical as well, for example to have the email server separate, in case there are serious problems with the web server, leaving ways of communication intact.

I think I would be able to figure out by myself everything necessary for setting up the webserver, with all services and possibilities like currently provided. But any advice from people with experience in such matters would be very welcome.

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* Johann : some bbc corrected
« Last Edit: November 25, 2019, 11:45:43 PM by Moritz »

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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2019, 11:58:57 AM »
Upasika Sophorn let my person know, by sending a copy of the contract quitting toward the current provider, this morning, that your Noble undertakings are on the run.

Much success, and joy in good before, while and after doing.
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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2019, 08:03:31 PM »
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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2019, 10:28:40 PM »
 Mudita :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2019, 08:40:12 AM »

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery " eröffnet, dem angehäng.

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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2019, 12:13:01 PM »
The zugangzureinsicht.org website, as first test case, has been copied to the new server, and DNS entries (still from the Greensta DNS server) pointed to it.
So any requests to zugangzureinsicht.org or www.zugangzureinsicht.org will now already be served from the new server.
Other special subdomains, like mail.zugangzureinsicht.org, imap.zugangzureinsicht.org, pop3.zugangzureinsicht.org (used for e-mail correspondence of addresses @zugangzureinsicht.org), list.zugangzureinsicht.org (for the mailing list), as well as ftp.zugangzureinsicht.org still point to the old servers at Greensta.
Software for e-mail etc. and (S)FTP access on the new server still needs to be installed/configured. I hope to be able to do that within the coming week.

The domain transfer for zugangzureinsicht.org to the new registrar Hetzner was also ordered (so that also DNS entries will then be managed from there) and should take place within the coming week if nothing goes wrong. This should not have any effects on functionality so far, if I did not make any mistake in the DNS configuration. If I did make a mistake the site will be offline at first, until corrected.

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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2019, 01:16:20 PM »
Sadhu, Sadhu

All seems to work fine.
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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2019, 07:55:06 PM »
As just having visited greenstas page to try to access the admin panel, they had obiviously reacted on it fast, possible even toping the new, just that you might know as possible lesser work. As they might also have maintenance, also possible lesser steady work, yet surely more flexible and more independend, if skill and means otherwise. Traffic "unlimited*" is of course very wage.No ideas in detail, just to mention.
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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2019, 02:53:49 AM »
As just having visited greenstas page to try to access the admin panel, they had obiviously reacted on it fast, possible even toping the new, just that you might know as possible lesser work. As they might also have maintenance, also possible lesser steady work, yet surely more flexible and more independend, if skill and means otherwise. Traffic "unlimited*" is of course very wage.No ideas in detail, just to mention.

Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

I do not quite understand what is talked about here.
But the Greensta website has been updated one or two months ago with a new look, and also some URLs of the login interface changed.
So for example, when wanting to log in to the admin panel, one is now directed to https://login.greensta.de/login/ , which was previously used as the URL for logging in to the PHPMyAdmin database management.
So if one had saved passwords previously in the browser for this URL, they would be filled in wrong now (filling password for PHPMyAdmin instead of the general Greensta server panel). So one would have to enter the correct login name and password again by hand to log into the admin panel.

Apart from this change on the surface, everything is still working as before at Greensta. (The contracts have been cancelled of course, so that the first packages will run out on the last day of March.)

Managing everything on the new server will not be too difficult after having everything set up. Still three months time. No need to worry.
The nights after new-year I will have time to continue, step by step. I will also make accounts for SFTP access etc. and ways to manage some things through a web interface like in the Greensta server panel and share all needed for access, and some explanations when everything is well prepared.

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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2019, 06:58:44 AM »
No, no. Atma saw that they had changed their packages and offers.
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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2019, 09:15:58 AM »
Ah, I see. They have improved their offers, seeing the competition.
Sure, it would be easier, just staying at the same. Worthy to think about if time could be used more fruitfully. Time can have much value. Still some time to decide.

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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2020, 09:30:03 PM »
Just a thought that came up to mind again, and possible a good occation:

Atma, if that is possible, thinks that it would be good to place the wiki direct on sangham.net and make the forum a section. Using ati.eu just as redirect to wiki-pages.

Good if it would be possible to connect forum and pages better, such as a "discuss and participate" link on each wiki page, opening a new or existing topic and vici versa "create page with OP" opinion.

Essays here wouldn't be no more of need, as easier to make pages with wiki. Same with downloads. Of course it needs time to move all (and not forget redirects...) and make pages.
Uploads, attachments, not sure if they could be put into media-manager.

Just thoughts. There is also a "disscuss"-plugin, not sure if useful. Generally just thought its possible easier to "struggle" and maintain, developing, localization..., just one or a primary software. Atma likes Dokuwiki because it's all text-files, easy to handle, move, modify. How ever, reminding and aware that, as Nyom told, there are certain accessibility problems to easy and totally bridge both softwares. Also folder named equal, like"lib" might conflict.

That share of thought shouldn't cause much worry or additional work. The isn't any problem with like it is now as well.
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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2020, 10:02:23 PM »
Hoping it might not stress much, Nyom Moritz . It looks like zugangzueinsicht.org is at least temporary gone currently.
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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2020, 04:28:56 AM »
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Thanks for making aware, Bhante.
Not quite sure how this happened. (But I have an idea: maybe a mistake while setting up e-mail server caused it.)

For now, it should be fixed.

I was hoping to be finished with all the preparations for a smooth transition of the other domains, and all software, like e-mail etc., ready and running, before coming to Cambodia.
Not sure now if I will be able to do everything in time. Especially e-mail is more tricky than thought. (But looks like almost done now.)
Possibly, reverting all back to Greensta managed hosting may in the end be the safer solution. (This could be done quite quickly and simply still until March.)

But for now, I remain hopeful that I can still prepare everything necessary on the new server so that the final move could be done from Cambodia with a few simple steps. At least on Sunday I should have a full free day for that.
We will see.

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Re: migration of websites to different hosting provider
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2020, 06:17:34 AM »
Sadhu. What ever and how ever good for Nyom.
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