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2020 Jan 18 05:57:52
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2020 Jan 17 19:19:18
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2020 Jan 17 18:37:01
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2020 Jan 17 18:14:15
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 17 13:39:36
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2020 Jan 17 13:39:19
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2020 Jan 17 10:29:19
Johann: "so, now I go up and clear the area a little, make some merits, and I will not share my merits, with anybody..."  ^-^

2020 Jan 17 08:49:11
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2020 Jan 17 06:45:45
Johann: Nyom Moritz

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2020 Jan 16 23:01:31
Moritz: Mr. Lew _/\_

2020 Jan 15 14:16:00
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 15 11:15:29
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 15 11:12:01
Johann: Nyom

2020 Jan 15 10:24:02
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Jan 15 10:21:50
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 15 10:11:56
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 22:22:36
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2020 Jan 12 22:04:02
Moritz: _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:34:30
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:31:02
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, may happiness come to fullfillment, all

2020 Jan 12 21:27:15
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_ Visitor _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:26:54
Cheav Villa:  Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:26:06
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:24:21
Moritz: Visitor _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:24:09
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:23:59
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:23:50
Johann: Good on working isn't a bad reservation. Sokh chomreoun

2020 Jan 12 21:16:12
Cheav Villa: I kana in working conditions in the ministry  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 17:24:45
Johann: How is Nyom Villa doing? Seems as if more reserved

2020 Jan 11 21:30:11
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 11 21:27:10
Johann: On the other side it's just visible for Aramika, so also fine to leave it as it is.

2020 Jan 11 21:18:06
Johann: but possible good to change it, since looking of course strange

2020 Jan 11 21:17:02
Johann: The visitor account, since enail needed, has Atmas email, yes. Nothing wrong, Nyom.

2020 Jan 11 21:10:13
Cheav Villa: Mr. Visitor is using Bhante mail on Sangham ^-^ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 11 17:28:39
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2020 Jan 11 17:19:29
Johann: Well then. Mudita. And to use old account is also no problem, or a new one.

2020 Jan 11 17:13:25
Visitor:  *sgift* Will return soon. will share one from lot.  :) Stay healthy. Be happy.

2020 Jan 11 17:06:13
Johann: Sure, why not? An also sure that Atma will try what ever possible that Nyom-Deva would take on existance where Dhamma can completely comprehended. My Nyom do as he feels fit and inspired.

2020 Jan 11 17:03:02
Visitor: For I am out of community and practice to be independent too -- decided when couldn't find Gem(liberated one, buddha, venerable).

2020 Jan 11 17:00:13
Visitor: If I share one of those practices, will uncle allow that? Will uncle give way to me to give as a 'Visitor'? Even when it's out of community.

2020 Jan 11 16:57:53
Johann: It's importand to see that liberation is possible, and people having gained independency are met = Savaka Sangha

2020 Jan 11 16:55:26
Johann: It's importand, aside of the deva-messangers, birth, sickness, aging death, to meet the Buddha, Arahat, Samana, so that real Saddha may arise. Books hardly can provide such "it's not just a story"

2020 Jan 11 16:50:04
Visitor: Practice leads to experience -coming slowly-2 me already. Did uncle find any Gems(Ven. Buddha) to associate with?

2020 Jan 11 16:45:42
Johann: Only by practicing and association with the Gems can Dhamma be gained. Consuming 1000 book wouldn't help

2020 Jan 11 16:43:02
Johann: What does one, seeing his decay, keep him from sharing?

2020 Jan 11 16:41:31
Johann: Giving ways to let others give is also a-maccariya

2020 Jan 11 16:39:42
Johann: And books are lasting? Sharing about oldage, sickness and death is teaching the 1 Noble truth very real, or?

2020 Jan 11 16:35:58
Visitor: What does old uncle want to offer when he is also impermanent? Dhamma-it's already in books! Experience-it will come soon to me too.

2020 Jan 11 16:30:29
Johann: If needing something, just let it be known (any language

2020 Jan 11 16:29:50
Johann: Nyom unknown

2020 Jan 11 16:28:47
Visitor:  *thumb* :-\ :( ;-) *gift*

2020 Jan 11 08:13:55
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2020 Jan 11 08:11:25
Moritz: Oh, I just wanted to write something to you, Bong Villa. But now have to go, driving taxi. ^-^ Later. _/\_ Chom reap leah

2020 Jan 11 08:05:56
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 11 07:46:49
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 10 19:57:45
Johann: Bhante

2020 Jan 10 19:37:57
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2020 Jan 10 16:11:19
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 10 12:07:13
Johann: Sokh chomreoun Nyom

2020 Jan 10 11:34:53
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2020 Jan 10 11:08:47
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2020 Jan 10 11:00:22
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 10 06:05:50
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 10 05:02:29
Johann: May those keeping the full moon Uposatha today, spend an auspicious time engaged in merits

2020 Jan 09 20:17:28
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 09 20:07:28
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 09 18:57:51
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Those who have confidence in the Awakened One have confidence in what is supreme; and for those with confidence in the supreme, supreme is the result.

2020 Jan 09 17:33:14
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 09 16:13:20
Johann: No problem at all.

2020 Jan 09 16:12:52
Johann: Atma wrote: Oh, master Moritz celebrates his Birthday today. And if remembering right, just one day before Mastress Sophorn.

2020 Jan 09 16:11:21
Johann:  :)

2020 Jan 09 16:10:58
Johann: oh that is bad: Nyom needs to cite Thor Twai bpngum 5 times

2020 Jan 09 16:09:02
Cheav Villa: I kana sorry for deleted <.I.> _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 09 16:05:44
Cheav Villa: All the best wishes to you Master Moritz  _/\_ :D

2020 Jan 09 08:29:01
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 09 07:08:24
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Sadhu

2020 Jan 09 06:16:07
Johann: A blessed Uposatha those who maintain it today

2020 Jan 09 04:50:31
Khemakumara: Nyom

2020 Jan 08 22:06:08
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Jan 08 21:45:09
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 08 20:55:46
Khemakumara: Nyom

2020 Jan 08 20:47:42
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 08 18:48:15
Johann: Bhante

2020 Jan 08 18:17:17
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 08 15:14:05
Johann: Nyom

2020 Jan 08 14:02:20
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 08 08:04:30
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 07 21:10:49
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu

2020 Jan 07 21:05:36
saddhamma: I hope, Bhante Johann has regained some strength and that Bhante's health is improving.

2020 Jan 07 17:50:15
Johann: 3 robes (2 and 1 two-layer as it may be cold) and if the Sangha, out of compassion would give full ordination before leaving, this would be outstanding blessing for the Sangha, counting a non-returner in their community..

2020 Jan 07 17:45:55
Johann: Plastic robe is also dangerous it not having a proper, and to have some light proper shoes along the way isn't a faul for hard paths through the burning lands.

2020 Jan 07 17:42:18
Johann: It'[ good if both strong Asthmatics have enought and right inhalation spray with them, since strong fires will come soon, althought they feel great for now.

2020 Jan 07 17:38:53
Johann: Start of the Migration periode. May all arrive at asokaṃ khemaṃ soon and with ease

2020 Jan 07 17:24:05
Moritz: On the 11th also, Bong Sophorn is planning to arrive in Phnom Penh _/\_

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Author Topic: Another why better off of Brahms community "We do it against your parents"  (Read 1423 times)

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A seeker, who seeks ways to get around getting leave by parents informed by one of Brahms & Co's corrupted families:

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Hello there, I spoke to a monk I know who ordained under Ajahn Brahm here in Australia (Ajahn Chah lineage of Thai Forest Tradition). His response is below.

regarding your question below. Giving it simply, no you don't need your parents approval.
This question comes quite often from us Westerners and it was on my mind as well before I ordained. This is one of the questions they will ask you when you ordain. Do you have your parents approval. And you should answer yes. Well what then happens if you say no. These questions does not stop the Sangha ordaining you if they want to go ahead with it. And the ordination is still valid even though you did not get the permission.
This rule came about when Buddha ordained his own son who was still a young boy and Buddhas own father said that you should first ask the guardians of the boy whether it is OK to allow him to ordain. Your parents are no longer taking care of you so you can decide for yourself. It is of course nice thing to tell them that you are going to do this and if they don't specifically tell you NO we won't allow you to do this. Well you can take this as their approval and this is usually the norm these days.

Norm and standard to start the "holly life" with disobedience, disrespect and deliberate lie, or approve of actually not classified yet..

Get your course "How to best cheat Vinaya to gain Nibbana today on suttacentral"...

Whom to disrespect next after traditional countries, Elders, Sangha, Vinaya, Dhamma, parents, leaders, copyrights, new-life...

It's to "fear" that the Sanghas in traditional countries will fall sooner in sympathy for "pseudo liberality of Devadatta and Mara" then they realize their destruction, and really less hope for western/modern settlements at all.

Just a Punk-Sangha left.

It's really disgusting at large, seeing this rainbow-parade, leader by frontsinger "Come with me into Dhamma..." Sujato, followed by the gender-confused female kibbutz overseers drain all over the world and endanger more and more small lasting possibilities for not so lucky born to ever find ordination inside.

And being that, good encouragement to seek minimum for No-returner attainment.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2019, 06:28:50 PM by Johann »
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I wonder what Bhante would say about householder Raṭṭhapāla (MN 82 ) who blackmailed his own parents by threatening to starve himself to death (which is wrong view/intention - MN 61 ) because they aren't willing to concede him permission to going forth. And even though he resorted to wrong (apparently to me) means, his ordination was valid and he became a arahant. How can this be?

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My person, Nyom Danilo , finds such foolish from a monk, in same way, to "suggest" such, bring such up as an idea, in regard of the topic here. What does Nyom think, is such an act of compassion, foolish, or simply usual way to earn with sharing "Dhamma", knowledge, reputation and adornments for the mind?

Actually it was great how the young man ("funny" btw. that my person had to thing on Nyom some hours ago, when reading how it worked out), wisely, already came to mind "hey, as it looks, such way doesn't seems to be well", after own considering. And don't one forget the dangers of what ever "compassionate" suggestions for a monks freedom of remorse.

What was it good for to mention it?

As in regard of "Why is such a ordination valid / no fault for the monk who gave it"? Generally wrongdoings, if even wrong (the is actually no evidence, that child Raṭṭhapāla blackmailed his parents intentionaly btw as suggested), before ordaining, going forth, isn't generally a hindrance for it, althought there are limits in regard of grave criminals (for example), where monks are not given (in same way, because to avoiding problems and lose reputation for the Sangha) to give going forth. The area of "no desireable" canditates, and the no-go's (which are in all cases simply invalid) are also different cases.

In the manner of the original topic, my person, stays to warn for modern/western-like tendencies in communities, since they are deep connected with basic wrong view and garant that no Noble ones, not even people with faith and fear of wrong-doing, dwell in such communities of which a different is surely not easy to be found in western/modern world. It's by means of selling pseudo-liberality for becoming, that such appears in more and more larger forms.

As there is a wordly topic a little similar: in western countries, or even global, there are often such as "refugee advice"-centers or exchange platforms, where people are trained what ever "legal" ways to gain wished. What does he think about a applicant with a rucksack full of "weapons" if approaching at the own door? Just to think generally of people with wrong view, thinking in terms of rights.

Another, something to consider why this rule came into being: right from beginning a child usually blackmail it's parents, preasured by love and affection parents sacrificed. It's really most liberating to "leave" the bond and obligation in what ever possible best manner. All to easy is blackmailing, if holding on the most dear of someone. There are nearly always ways to make good understandable so that another has the change to give most voluntary.

Thers is a nice story by the "Snoobish monk" with "son from good family", Kumāra, as his ordination name over there: FAQ’s about a monk .

(Okasa in between:  _/\_ Maybe Bhante Ariyadhammika likes to send Bhante Kumara another time an invitation to make use of all the possibilities here.)

Good to see that Nyom still finds time and gives into the topic of ways for liberation, btw. and signs of regards and that he may be well as well.
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Sadhu!

What was it good for to mention it?

The fact that Raṭṭhapāla was ordained even though he 'cheatead' to have his parent's permission and neither was reprehended, made me doubt a little about the strictness meant by this rule. And instead of create a new topic only to make a simple question, I've posted in this topic here, which seems be addressing to a similar issue (The rule's strictness of the parent's permission ). That's all.

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Again, Nyom Danilo , there isn't any evidence that child Raṭṭhapāla cheated, but the opposite. It was through his friends observation and care that his parents could see the pure mind behind his wishes.

It's actually a very strict rule and there ate only less situations where monks would be given to tolerate when larger harm for others could be expected. All, even very minor looking rules, are serious and bring one and others fast into "devils kitchen".

Here, and in regard of modern ideas, it's mainly a matter of basic graditude and respect. Who, who doesn't possess such, thinking in modes of grave wrong view, rights, would be ever able to place elders as their new father, teacher, instructor, and what communist careless society would the Sangha grow? A punch of rebelling outbreaked slaves who encourage others to rebellion. The goodness left back by the goodness of the Buddha and his good followed disciples would'nt last long and simply leave again a punch of social-worker and traders behind. Like one can see easy looking around this days.

And another aspect, possible not investigated, and also often mistreated is the blessing of parents with a child having given leaving home: [Q&A] Where does the believe "monks mother will be reborn in heaven" come from?
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