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2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

2023 Sep 01 10:54:43
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 01 09:21:09
Dhammañāṇa:  “This verse was stated by earlier worthy ones, fully self-awakened:    Freedom from disease: the foremost good fortune. Unbinding: the foremost ease. The eightfold: the foremost of paths going to the Deathless, Secure.

2023 Sep 01 09:19:23
Dhammañāṇa: 'Ārogyaparamā lābhā nibbānaṃ paramaṃ sukhaṃ, Aṭṭhaṅgiko ca maggānaṃ khemaṃ amatagāmina'nti.   អារោគ្យបរមា លាភា និព្ពានំ បរមំ សុខំ អដ្ថងិកោ ច មគ្គានំ ខេមំ អមតគាមិន នតិ។  លាភទាំងឡាយ មានការមិនមានរោគ ដ៏ប្រសើរបំផុត ព្រះនិព្វាន ជាសុខដ៏ឧត្តម មគ្គប្រកបដោយអង្គ៨ ដ៏ក្សេមក្សាន្តជាងមគ្គទាំងឡាយ សម្រាប់ដំណើរ ទៅកាន់​ព្រះនិព្វាន ឈ្មោះអមតៈ។

2023 Aug 31 06:30:11
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 31 06:08:15
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Fullmoon Uposatha, following the Arahats conducts.

2023 Aug 30 20:19:25
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Aug 30 18:39:38
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 24 19:56:43
Dhammañāṇa: Sadhu, Sadhu and mudita

2023 Aug 24 19:45:08
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Author Topic: Talking on bad sides and things of others good or bad?  (Read 1630 times)

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Talking on bad sides and things of others good or bad?
« on: January 22, 2020, 07:18:54 PM »
Usually one is "told" to do not speak about other peoples fault, speaking about bad of others is bad.

Seldom does even the teacher sees his hypocritical approach while saying such in categorical way.

So when my person would be of the opinion that speaking about bad of others is bad, my person actually would by teaching such already break the taught.

And more over, 80% of the Suttas would be repeating of wrong speech, wouldn't it, if speaking about bad of other would be bad, generally.

Yet isn't obiviously a broad taught matter at large, especially in householder near relation. So just a certain tool to make unwished voices silent?

What's the point here to do not ever fail it?
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 05:38:18 AM by Johann »
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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2020, 12:35:55 AM »
For homeless meditators/ascetics/robe-wearers,

It is not a matter of good or bad. It is a matter of whether this action, this speech is right or wrong for speaker.

If speaker is not free from defilements, has not been established on Noble 8 Fold Path, is having ignorance or un-enlightened then speaking about 'seemingly bad of others' is exactly like 'pig scolding human for not wearing sleepers by seeing dirty feets'.
If person has removed defilements, has been established on Noble 8 Fold Path, completely aware, an enlightened one, a gem then pointing out faults of others would be benefecial only for that person who has atleast a little-bit of "SHRADDHA" towards righteousness otherwise it would be like "talking to a stone" or to be precise "tossing a stone above own head; calling an angry bull to smash you(where you are standing still in nude)".


For householders::

Yup! Pointing faults become necessary for maintaining "seemingly outside-peace in society".

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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2020, 07:07:52 AM »
What could be the problem if "bad" is wrong assumed? And how about, because spoken in relations, when a householder criticises a monk and a monk pointson a householder, Nyom Alex, according to your views? What then did the Buddha taught in that relations?
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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2020, 07:49:34 AM »
What could be the problem if "bad" is wrong assumed?

It would be exactly like, "how theravada was banned in Nepal",  "how adi-shankracharya completely disbandoned and MURDERED theravada from india" and "how adi-shankracharya adopted sexual-'tantrism/mantrism/yantrism' to be dhamma".

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And how about, because spoken in relations, when a householder criticises a monk and a monk pointson a householder, Nyom Alex, according to your views?

Householder criticizing a monk because of "holding wrong views and monk is right" OR "holding right views and monk is wrong". In both cases, monk is not to be confused, worried, concerned about sayings. If householder is ready to listen, it can be sorted out by having a dhamma discussion at suitable time, at suitable place.

Still, monk must not make arguments because monkhood was taken only for removing own's defilements, for providing peaceful-vibrant-food(METTA) to all. Dhamma, if not today then later, will have to be rediscovered, re-realized and re-propagated by next genius scientist, gem, buddha OR by any other means.

Still, IF ASKED,  monk must preach dhamma(as far as experienced or learnt) only, by indirectly pointing out defaults in the tradition/practice(if any)..... but it might also lead to different views(just like how different schools emerged in buddhism). Alas! It's better to have only remain silent and if tradition-bounded, to have a common teaching discussed before-hand to be preached........ but it might lead to wrong teachings being preached like by hindu brahmins.

So, in my view and experience-- for monk-- better to eat once a day(if available/received), meditate full to heart, remain joyful, enthusiastic.

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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2020, 09:31:44 AM »
So what does Nyom Alex think, would it be proper for Atma to talk further with Nyom, or not so proper, just let him tell what he desires to tell?
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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2020, 03:00:00 PM »
Surely, not just talk rather guide Nyom Alex ^-^ , if he has offended.

Otherwise still, it's human rights to do whatever one wants(especially elders-in-age).


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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2020, 04:14:12 PM »
What should that be "human rights"? A free ticket, Nyom Alex? Surely clear that everybody acts as he/she wishes (and bears also the consequences of it) but no idea of what "human right" should be. No consequences? "Free speech": "Speak what you like: no bad effects for you"?
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2020, 05:29:13 PM »
Being a small-fry, I can say that "householders of the so-called-human society have made some rules and regulations for 'what seems to them as right' flow of society" and to maintain that seemingly-right, various leaders have made various arrangements/laws within their territory to satisfy their ego.

Surely clear that everybody acts as he/she wishes (and bears also the consequences of it)
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"Free speech": "Speak what you like: no bad effects for you"?

These types of self-contradicting thoughts, "where in 1 thought, homeless-meditator tries to perceive right view and in 2nd thought, homeless-meditator perceives from the point-of-view/seeing-actions of wrong-dwellers", usually appear when a homeless-meditator thinks by relaxing his body, lying down either on grass or on plain-open-field.

Better, if there will be no further reaction in brain leading to some karma, better if thinker thinks next that, " whatever happens! Till now, experience and teachings say that •••1st thought•••", better if thinker doesn't think next that, "they must be punished, householders must make rules, more rules to stop wrong-dwellers.....".

From experience, I warn you, uncle J, when homeless-meditator starts thinking what shouldn't be thought, when homeless-meditator stops thinking what must have been thought, it starts chain-reaction of hatred, a deep chain-reaction of 'THE-REACTION'. It will never stop and will make homeless-meditator more LAZY(pramaadi), more aggressive,••• more defilements.

It's better if you stop 2nd thought, it won't suit you-- a homeless meditator.

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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2020, 05:40:04 PM »
You should get in touch with each other.

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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2020, 01:50:39 AM »
I think it's good if is motivated by right intention.

“Monks, any monks who explain not-Dhamma as not-Dhamma are practicing for the welfare of many people, for the happiness of many people, for the benefit of many people, for the welfare & happiness of human beings & devas. They amass much merit and help this True Dhamma to remain.”

“Monks, any monks who explain Dhamma as Dhamma are practicing for the welfare of many people, for the happiness of many people, for the benefit of many people, for the welfare & happiness of human beings & devas. They amass much merit and help this True Dhamma to remain.”

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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2020, 09:36:34 PM »
That, Nyom Danilo hits the question Atma raised before here:

What could be the problem if "bad" is wrong assumed? And how about, because spoken in relations, when a householder criticises a monk and a monk pointson a householder, Nyom Vivek , according to your views? What then did the Buddha taught in that relations?

Does Nyom thing that the quote is direct connected with "right/good" intention?

Is there any being who wouldn't try to do best according to his/her understanding?
Atma doesn't think that even if most might teach wrong Dhamma would be aware that doing so.

Once "good" intention does not necessary mean that it is a gain or loss for others, many, and for him/herself.

The quote, how ever, leads where Atma thought to guid toward since, like a austrian proverb says: "stupidy (not/wrong knowing/ignorance) does not protect from penalties (bad effects)"
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2020, 09:46:01 AM »
That, Nyom Danilo hits the question Atma raised before here:

What could be the problem if "bad" is wrong assumed? And how about, because spoken in relations, when a householder criticises a monk and a monk pointson a householder, Nyom Vivek , according to your views? What then did the Buddha taught in that relations?

Does Nyom thing that the quote is direct connected with "right/good" intention?

Is there any being who wouldn't try to do best according to his/her understanding?
Atma doesn't think that even if most might teach wrong Dhamma would be aware that doing so.

Once "good" intention does not necessary mean that it is a gain or loss for others, many, and for him/herself.

The quote, how ever, leads where Atma thought to guid toward since, like a austrian proverb says: "stupidy (not/wrong knowing/ignorance) does not protect from penalties (bad effects)"

Those questions makes me turn to MN 61 .
If there is a trace of harm or prejudice in one's intention, that would be a demeritous deed, I suppose.

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2020, 11:22:21 AM »
I think it's good if is motivated by right intention.

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If there is a trace of harm or prejudice in one's intention, that would be a demeritous deed, I suppose.

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I ham an ignorant person. I have intention of attaining nibbana. I have intention of helping others. My ego and my lord ignorance prevents me in doing so. Not only prevent, rather guide me under a " HALLUCINATION " of helping others in showing them a right path but in reality! it's the opposite.

Even this post is written with 'right intention', but it might bring conflicts, clashes, quarrels among us.

Not only me, rather everyone tries to live with "seemingly right intention", still clashes occurs.

That's why!

Buddha gave path of 8 parts, which must be fully satisfied.

Merely a part or a sub-part (intention of view) is not gonna help others in attaining nibbana.

So I will have to walk on Noble 8 fold path first and then only my right-intent will be meritious for me and others.

Before attaining nibbana, my right-intent would only be to " make myself less angry, ••••• abandoning defilements and causes of defilements ".

I don't see any gain in merit, if I am not free from anger while I still preach others to not get angry-- RATHER IT WOULD BE EXACT OPPOSITE . Yes!, I might preach to TRY to not get angry just like I am trying, it might result in any merit if and only if while preaching, I am also enhancing my "abandoning" skill........
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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of other good or bad?
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2020, 12:13:26 PM »
That, Nyom Danilo hits the question Atma raised before here:

What could be the problem if "bad" is wrong assumed? And how about, because spoken in relations, when a householder criticises a monk and a monk pointson a householder, Nyom Vivek , according to your views? What then did the Buddha taught in that relations?

Does Nyom thing that the quote is direct connected with "right/good" intention?

Is there any being who wouldn't try to do best according to his/her understanding?
Atma doesn't think that even if most might teach wrong Dhamma would be aware that doing so.

Once "good" intention does not necessary mean that it is a gain or loss for others, many, and for him/herself.

The quote, how ever, leads where Atma thought to guid toward since, like a austrian proverb says: "stupidy (not/wrong knowing/ignorance) does not protect from penalties (bad effects)"

Those questions makes me turn to MN 61 .
If there is a trace of harm or prejudice in one's intention, that would be a demeritous deed, I suppose.

May Nyom Danilo never fall into doubt (again). Yes, neither harm of any kind, toward others, toward oneself, that is the essence of right intention.


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Re: Talking on bad sides and things of others good or bad?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2020, 12:17:10 PM »

So I will have to walk on Noble 8 fold path first and then only my right-intent will be meritious for me and others.

Before attaining nibbana, my right-intent would only be to " make myself less angry, ••••• abandoning defilements and causes of defilements ".

Liberation, Nyom Vivek , is the result of right intention (sankappo/cetana), based on right view. It's not so that liberation is for the sake of any cetana, not so that the training is taken on to gain lesser, or different, but to no more take on anything at all.

Yet one could feel harmed, being adressed by harsh words, and may tried to silent the Buddha with his "own" saying, like this Jains :

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

..."Come now, prince. Go to Gotama the contemplative and on arrival say this: 'Lord, would the Tathagata say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others?' If Gotama the contemplative, thus asked, answers, 'The Tathagata would say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others,' then you should say, 'Then how is there any difference between you, lord, and run-of-the-mill people? For even run-of-the-mill people say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others.' But if Gotama the contemplative, thus asked, answers, 'The Tathagata would not say words that are unendearing & disagreeable to others,' then you should say, 'Then how, lord, did you say of Devadatta that "Devadatta is headed for destitution, Devadatta is headed for hell, Devadatta will boil for an eon, Devadatta is incurable"? For Devadatta was upset & disgruntled at those words of yours.' When Gotama the contemplative is asked this two-pronged question by you, he won't be able to swallow it down or spit it up. Just as if a two-horned chestnut[1] were stuck in a man's throat: he would not be able to swallow it down or spit it up. In the same way, when Gotama the contemplative is asked this two-pronged question by you, he won't be able to swallow it down or spit it up."...
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