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2024 Mar 18 21:42:50
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 18 19:43:59
Dhammañāṇa: Mudita, Nyom.

2024 Mar 18 19:36:35
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Undertaking this Sila day at my best.

2024 Mar 18 06:17:10
Dhammañāṇa: Those who undertake the Sila day today: may it be of much metta.

2024 Mar 18 02:16:41
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 17 21:09:31
អរិយវង្ស: 🚬🚬🚬

2024 Mar 17 06:30:53
Dhammañāṇa: Metta-full Sila day, those after it today.

2024 Mar 17 00:02:34
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Mar 11 09:16:04
Dhammañāṇa: Once totally caught by google, AI and machines, every door has been closed for long, long term.

2024 Mar 11 09:14:04
Dhammañāṇa: People at large just wait that another would do his/her duty. Once a slight door to run back, they are gone. By going again just for debts, the wheel of running away turns on.

2024 Mar 10 18:59:10
Dhammañāṇa: Less are those who don't use the higher Dhamma not for defilement-defence, less those who don't throw the basics away and turn back to sensuality "with ease".

2024 Mar 10 06:51:11
Dhammañāṇa: A auspicious new-moon Uposatha for those observing it today.

2024 Mar 09 06:34:39
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed New-moon Uposatha, and birth reminder day of a monarchy of wonders.

2024 Mar 08 21:39:54
Dhammañāṇa: The best way to keep an Ashram silent is to put always duties and Sila high. If wishing it populated, put meditation (eating) on the first place.

2024 Mar 03 21:27:27
Dhammañāṇa: May those undertaking the Sila day today, spend it off in best ways, similar those who go after the days purpose tomorrow.

2024 Feb 25 22:10:33
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 24 06:42:35
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Māgha Pūjā and Full moon Uposatha with much reason for good recallings of goodness.

2024 Feb 24 01:50:55
blazer: Bhante Dhammañāṇa  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 23 06:39:57
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2024 Feb 23 00:19:58
blazer: Taken flu again... at least leg pain has been better managed since many weeks and it's the greatest benefit. Hope Bhante Dhammañāṇa is fine  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 01:06:43
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 18 00:02:37
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 17 18:47:31
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of todays Sila-day.

2024 Feb 17 18:46:59
Dhammañāṇa: Chau Marco, chau...

2024 Feb 16 23:32:59
blazer: Just ended important burocratic and medical stuff. I will check for a flight for Cambodia soon  _/\_

2024 Feb 09 16:08:32
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 12:17:31
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 09 06:42:17
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed New moon Uposatha and last day of the Chinese year of the rabbit, entering the Year of the Naga wisely.

2024 Feb 02 21:17:28
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Feb 02 19:53:28
Dhammañāṇa: May all have the possibility to spend a pleasing rest of Sila day, having given goodness and spend a faultless day.

2024 Jan 26 14:40:25
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 25 10:02:46
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Full moon Uposatha.

2024 Jan 11 06:37:21
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 07 06:31:20
Dhammañāṇa: May many, by skilful deeds,  go for real and lasting independence today

2024 Jan 06 18:00:36
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 16:57:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2024 Jan 04 12:33:08
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila-day, full of metta in thoughts, speech and deeds.

2023 Dec 30 20:21:07
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 27 23:18:38
Dhammañāṇa: May the rest of a bright full moon Uposatha serve many as a blessed day of good deeds.

2023 Dec 26 23:12:17
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 24 16:52:50
Dhammañāṇa: May all who celebrated the birth of their prophet, declaring them his ideas of reaching the Brahma realm, spend peaceful days with family and reflect the goodness near around them, virtuous, generously.

2023 Dec 20 21:36:37
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 20 06:54:09
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by conducting in peacefull manners.

2023 Dec 12 23:45:24
blazer:  _/\_

2023 Dec 12 20:34:26
Dhammañāṇa: choice, yes  :)

2023 Dec 12 13:23:35
blazer: If meaning freedom of choice i understand and agree

2023 Dec 12 12:48:42
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 12 06:13:23
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a great New Moon Uposatha, following the conducts of the Arahats.

2023 Dec 10 12:51:16
Dhammañāṇa: The more freedom of joice, the more troubled in regard of what's right, what's wrong. My person does not say that people at large are prepared for freedom of joice even a little.

2023 Dec 10 10:59:42
blazer: Hope they eat more mindfully than how they talk. It is clear for the gross food, we had more than a talk about this topic. I have put so much effort in mindful eating at the temple, but when i was back i wanted more refined food. I was used to get a choice of more than 10 dishes every day

2023 Dec 10 06:57:44
Dhammañāṇa: A person eating on unskilled thoughts will last defiled, Nyom. Gross food does nothing for purification at all.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:58
blazer: I've had a couple of not nice experiences with monks that were not so pure in my opinion. They surely eat far better than me at temple.

2023 Dec 09 21:41:41
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Dec 09 11:38:36
Dhammañāṇa: Spiritual prostitution, just another way of livelihood.

2023 Dec 05 20:59:38
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 27 14:47:22
អរិយវង្ស:   _/\_ _/\__/\_

2023 Nov 27 05:41:32
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a blessed Anapanasati- Fullmoon and reflect the goodness of Ven Sāriputta as well today.

2023 Nov 20 19:18:13
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 20 18:20:15
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of Sila-day.

2023 Nov 20 02:48:24
Moritz: Hello _/\_ Still possible to join: An-other Journey into the East 2023/24

2023 Nov 18 13:55:11
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 12 01:09:01
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Nov 12 00:45:21
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 19:42:10
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 09 07:17:02
Dhammañāṇa: សិលា​នាំ​ទៅ​រក​ឯករាជ្យ​នៃ​ជាតិ! សូមឱ្យមនុស្សជាច្រើនប្រារព្ធទិវាឯករាជ្យ(ពី)ជាតិ។

2023 Nov 09 07:06:56
Dhammañāṇa: Sila leads to independence of Jati! May many observe a conductive Independence day.

2023 Nov 07 00:54:02
Dhammañāṇa: Nyoum

2023 Nov 07 00:39:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 15:47:51
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Nov 06 12:21:27
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila observation day today.

2023 Oct 30 15:17:36
Dhammañāṇa: It's common in to give up that what's given to do assist me toward release, common that seeking security in what binds.

2023 Oct 30 13:22:27
អរិយវង្ស: ព្រះអង្គ :) កូណាលុប delta chat ហើយ :D _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 23 18:56:09
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 22 20:36:01
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a pleasing rest of this Sila-day.

2023 Oct 19 20:31:12
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom Sreyneang

2023 Oct 15 07:07:01
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Oct 14 06:53:21
Dhammañāṇa: May all spend a New moon Uposatha based on goodwill for all, find seclusion in the middle of family duties.

2023 Sep 29 07:35:30
blazer:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:23:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 29 07:03:11
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed full moon Uposatha and begin of the ancestor weeks by lived metta and virtue: lived gratitude toward all being, toward one self.

2023 Sep 22 22:07:43
Dhammañāṇa: If no rush turn toward reducing sensuality and make Silas the top of priority, it's to fear that an Atomic conflic will be chosen soon, in the battle of control of the "drugs".

2023 Sep 22 14:59:39
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 22 06:35:51
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Uposatha Observance on this Sila-day, by conducting similar the Arahats.

2023 Sep 16 19:29:27
blazer: Ven. Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 16 19:29:13
blazer: Hello everyone! I've just come back home. I had a long trip and no sleep for more than 30 hours, but currently feel quite good. I've had a good experience, i'm happy. I've found out much inspiration and many ideas about the training and the holy life. I'll recollect and write about them as soon as i've taken some rest. Hope to find you all well and in good health  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 15 05:25:24
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 14 21:09:49
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed rest of New moon Uposatha today (later as no connection before).

2023 Sep 10 01:55:47
អរិយវង្ស:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_?

2023 Sep 09 18:52:54
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 09 18:52:28
Dhammañāṇa: No existence, no 'way of life', can excel the finally journey, just 'busy' in given away all of what ever made one's own. A total remorse-less existence. May many go for it, and see the way toward the deathless, no more worry of past, future and present as well.

2023 Sep 08 06:19:20
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Sila day, by maintaining goodwill toward all, not only by deeds and speech, but with nine factors, incl. a mind full of metta.

2023 Sep 01 10:54:43
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Sep 01 09:21:09
Dhammañāṇa:  “This verse was stated by earlier worthy ones, fully self-awakened:    Freedom from disease: the foremost good fortune. Unbinding: the foremost ease. The eightfold: the foremost of paths going to the Deathless, Secure.

2023 Sep 01 09:19:23
Dhammañāṇa: 'Ārogyaparamā lābhā nibbānaṃ paramaṃ sukhaṃ, Aṭṭhaṅgiko ca maggānaṃ khemaṃ amatagāmina'nti.   អារោគ្យបរមា លាភា និព្ពានំ បរមំ សុខំ អដ្ថងិកោ ច មគ្គានំ ខេមំ អមតគាមិន នតិ។  លាភទាំងឡាយ មានការមិនមានរោគ ដ៏ប្រសើរបំផុត ព្រះនិព្វាន ជាសុខដ៏ឧត្តម មគ្គប្រកបដោយអង្គ៨ ដ៏ក្សេមក្សាន្តជាងមគ្គទាំងឡាយ សម្រាប់ដំណើរ ទៅកាន់​ព្រះនិព្វាន ឈ្មោះអមតៈ។

2023 Aug 31 06:30:11
អរិយវង្ស: សាធុ សាធុ សាធុ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 31 06:08:15
Dhammañāṇa: A blessed Fullmoon Uposatha, following the Arahats conducts.

2023 Aug 30 20:19:25
Dhammañāṇa: Nyom

2023 Aug 30 18:39:38
blazer: Hello everyone  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2023 Aug 24 19:56:43
Dhammañāṇa: Sadhu, Sadhu and mudita

2023 Aug 24 19:45:08
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Re: Bhante Samahita's death
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2020, 06:47:07 AM »
"People after gain, at least for their wish for gain, should abstain from criticisms of beloved people, but for doing such hidden, such is really unvitruose and ugly. My person would not advice to associate with people speaking here in this way and there in other, for simply gain."

Maybe I misunderstood but is it not me who try to gain by criticize you?  I am not a public figure Bhante and I don't claim to know the teachings of the Buddha by the letter or teach others like a monk will usually do. I am unknown in social media.

"don't you fear to critices a monk here right in the moment?"

Absolutely not. Why I have to fear to criticize you here in this moment if you have done the same on that occasion with Bhante Samahita and I am not using bad words?? 

See how things change when the tables turn around?  You don't like people to tell you what they think you are doing wrong by criticizing a monk with insults. Also, you may even break the rules of the forum. Isn't it?  Why the administrator didn't say anything? Is it because people got the idea that you should be free of criticism??

We have to be clear here that I do agree with your intentions to correct a monk that you think is doing wrong but I disagree in the way you did it by going public and using insults against a fellow monk and keep doing it after Bhante Samahita told you do never again comment on his posts. You should have continue to talk in a general way and people will understand and learn because, at the end, what you did, didn't have any effect. Bhante Samahita continue to do what he thought it was right in his mind and people followed him anyway. 

Again, Bhante Samahita was responsible for his actions and only he will pay or be rewarded by his actions by his own karma.

I think criticism have to be taken in a humble way. I understand you will never expect a lay person to criticize your actions but if you are right will it be right to have an internet war of monks pointing fingers at each other, calling each other names, insults, etc for the sake of Buddhism???  What kind of example will be that?  I think other monk should not criticize other fellow monk in the way you did it. But they do have to do all they can to contact and correct the monk privately as you say you did it at the beginning.

"If wishing to listen to Dhamma, it would require to set yourself right, Nyom."

I will consult with the Sri Lanka monks about it but I will not tell the whole world if they disagree with you out of respect to you.

If the Buddha disagree with a monk behavior, did he went to each town telling people to not associate with this and that monk by saying that he is a fool, an idiot, a thief, etc publicly?? Did the devas told the whole world when a monk didn't listen or preferred to reprimand the monk privately?

I don't remember a single story where the Buddha go to each town (the equivalent of talking in internet) to tell people not to follow or associate with this monk mentioning him by name and using bad word when referring to the "bad" monk. I do remember hearing stories were he mention what is wrong in general terms which you didn't do. Isn't it?

The Buddhist text mention by name the "bad" monk so others will understand what not to follow but I didn't read anything about the Buddha or Devas taking action by going to town after town to talk about it.

"And if you ideas would be right most of the Tipitaka would be wrong speech"

Can you please quote a sacred Buddha text/story where the Buddha told everybody, mentioning a monk by name, about a bad monk behavior using bad words? So I can see that the way you handle the situation was the right way to do it.

Did the Buddha run away from criticism just because he was the Buddha or accepted debate/criticism? Did he say "Oh don't associate with this and that because he/she criticize me??

I think I have read that he will only talk privately with Ananda or a few monks or only the monks in meetings but he will not tarnish the reputation of a monk with the whole town.
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Re: Bhante Samahita's death
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2020, 06:59:24 AM »
If there is one thing common under corrupt monks, corrupters of families, than that they teach their costumers that critic is bad and the highest is equanimity. They do so to keep their cosumer under control.

That not the Dhamma, actually it's all about right judgement, yet of course not all have the possibility to express right and wrong, still caught in dependency, Nyom gvg .

Maybe Nyom could see right here that her ideas of no-judging are totally hypocritical and don't fit to a normal heart.

If Nyom could give the gift of letting respectfully face and normal name, as a sign of respect toward the Gems, known, it may be of great gain of clearence for here to get instructed on what the Buddha actually talked in regard of critic and how it should be received as most useful gift by wise. For one rejecting advices categorical, such is really a fool.

You are welcome to invite your trusted Venerable here, he is like all most welcome and you could put it also as test, since those who aren't on certain level and firm in their ways aren't capable to enter and dwell here. So also Nyom isn't an ordinary person as such aren't capable to take the invitation.

It requires at least a great portion on generosity, absence of stinginess, a-maccariya.

(My person had seen someone approaching in late Bhantes treat on Dhammawheel some two weeks ago and thought "soon will she approach here", those in bad assosiation firm bound would not, of cause)
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2020, 07:18:05 AM »

As I said, I will consult with my Sri Lanka monks about how you handled the problem with Bhante Samahita. I am always open the learn from respected monks.

If you want me to tell you in private what they said, I can do that. They have nothing to gain or look for any fame. They are very humble monks.

Do you want my name and face to be showed? That has nothing to do with the problem. It is a distraction of the real problem we are talking about.

I see that you couldn't find any Buddhist text that supported your position and the dhamma has the last word.

What is really hypocritical? The Sri Lanka Bhantes will tell me.


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Re: Bhante Samahita's death
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2020, 07:26:14 AM »
Then may Nyom go on to monks who teach and talk with woman privatly and who teach when signs of disrespect are shown. It's up to Nyom what she thinks to be a refuge and when she feels well with it, why not letting leave.

If liking to gain in proper ways and secrure ways, she may now know the necessary prerequisites.
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2020, 07:39:40 AM »

It will be a good learning experience.

You shouldn't feel offended anyway.

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Re: Bhante Samahita's death
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2020, 07:45:54 AM »
So then. And nothing to worry. As told already: those rejecting critique categorical are really fools. Not easy would one accept giving out of compassion and carefully investigate it. And being come together again, and again, on an element, seldom that able to escape from bonds.
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2020, 07:50:42 AM »

Nothing to worry then.

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Re: Bhante Samahita's death
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2020, 08:25:40 AM »
Just to mention two thing: my person isn't aware of any Sri Lankan (SEAsian) monk of deep respect on Vinaya and the Dhamma but it's usually wordly services and doing favors for gain that monks dwell in outer lands (of course their could be); and a German language proverb: "A crow doesn't pick out the eye of another crow". As that what one desires to see is mostly that what one finds and hardly it would be unknown truth.

Nothing to worry isn't categorical valid, otherwise wise wouldn't give advices, sometimes even hard to take.
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2020, 09:11:31 AM »

Bhante, excuse me but maybe again I am misunderstanding you by the way you talk...

If you "isn't aware of any Sri Lankan (seasian) monk of deep respect on Vinaya and the Dhamma but it's usually wordly services and doing favors for gain that monks dwell in outer lands (of course their could be)"

What kind of "favors for gain" do you think these monks are trying to get???  These monks are not looking for fame, etc and I can assure you that they have never asked for anything in exchange for their teachings.

I consider it is inappropriate to say or even insinuate such a thing when you don't know the people you are referring to. Specially, again, it is a negative comment against fellow monks said by another monk.

It will be better not to say anything because you don't know them. Therefore, it sounds to me like you are trying to discredit these monks, "in advance" in a subtle way...  So, whatever they say to me, it is not true and only you are right.

Why do you think you have better understanding of the Vinaya/Dhamma than other monks? Wrong again. Isn't it too much pride from your part?

 


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Re: Assimilating of Bhante Samahita's death, decay of beloved
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2020, 11:17:20 AM »
Saying's are good to consider and to prove, and it's not wise to take them as "it is", as well as "it isn't so". Mudita if having found a relayable guide as such isn't easy and for everyone to gain Nyom gvg . Saying that my person hadn't perceived yet, doesn't mean that such couldn't exist and he is more than interested to get better perceived, more then welcome toward better in regard of good qualities.

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Re: Assimilating of Bhante Samahita's death, decay of beloved
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2020, 01:20:21 PM »
Some things to possible good to investigate before asking another person on advice, Nyom. And also good to ask him to answer in ways that could be made public and not just a personal favor, standing with the Dhamma and the Vinaya of the Buddha.

* Was it at certain time a monk, even a Bhikkhu who made public critic?
* Was it a justified critic?
* Do I know what was going on?
* Did he actually changed his ways?
* Did he respected or disrespected rebukes?
* Was critice later continued after no success?
* How did he react in exchange?
* Am I possible certain preoccupied and also wrong informed, or just open to what I feel itjs right?
* Do I seek for someone to blame for my lose or maintain something which wasn't the case?

Why my person, althought still not really approaching in proper manner, urges good investigation? Because of the Dhamma, truth of effects, out of simply compassion: AN 4.83: Avannaraha Sutta - Dispraise
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Re: Assimilating of Bhante Samahita's death, decay of beloved
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2020, 02:08:12 PM »

"before asking another person on advice" 

When did I asked you for advice??  I only told you what I think was wrong on your post regarding Bhante Samahita.

"And also good to ask him to answer in ways that could be made public and not just a personal favor"

When did I asked you for a personal favor?? 

Not true.

Just in case when I talk privately with the monks it means talking with them in the temple, in an open area or where there is people around but not necessarily they know what I am talking with the monk/monks. Many people talk like that with the monks for advice, etc. and people respect their privacy, not gathering around to know personal issues unless it is something open for discussion, which also often happen to share with everybody in the temple.

"Was it at certain time a monk, even a Bhikkhu who made public critic?"

Bhante you keep going around and around and around the same thing that it is not the problem. I agree with a Bhikkhu that make a public critic but what I disagree is what I already told you several times. And it is the words you used when you criticized Bhante Samahita in public, by name and because I consider that calling him fool, idiot thief, etc or encourage others to follow the same line it doesn't sound right to me. That is all.

You have not explained if insults are ok when a monk doesn't listen if that is the case that is why I asked you for a quote that I didn't get.

When I told you about the bad words you are not saying a single word, instead you keep talking about the critique, which is not the problem. But I already told you I will consult with the Sri Lanka bhantes about it. I will see them in a week.

I will not make an investigation about every single point in the list because It may take a lot of time and that why I have the best advice from the Sri Lanka monks to guide me.

"Do I seek for someone to blame for my lose or maintain something which wasn't the case?"

Which lose? Who lost? You, me, him?? Are you referring to me?

You can keep arguing forever if you want but you will waste your time Bhante because I will check with the Sri Lanka Bhantes about it and let you know in private or in public, whatever you prefer.

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Re: Assimilating of Bhante Samahita's death, decay of beloved
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2020, 02:57:23 PM »
Nyom told that she likes to ask her trusted Sri Lanken Monk. That's fine and if she thinks it's good to speak without much awarness, considering prove... that's also "fine".

Nobody could help her out of grasped movie, behind giving some advices, for to let go one has to look and "not sure".
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Re: Assimilating of Bhante Samahita's death, decay of beloved
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2020, 03:11:05 PM »
Now let's look if compassion without reqired respect of the receiver could access to get ride of wrong ideas or not: Abhaya Sutta: To Prince Abhaya (On Right Speech) , and wether she might be able that critic ad critic aren't the same in all cases, sometimes simply aversive sometimes very compassioned minded, sometimes right and of pure compassion, even hard to bear.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2020, 11:41:48 AM »
Sorry for the delay.

I have consulted with the Sri Lanka monks that I highly respect about your post. These monks are Mayaha Thero senior monks with more than 50 years as monks and they are surely your seniors.

I asked two questions which are:

1 - Is is correct for a monk to criticize publicly another monk using insulting words with the intention of correcting him from some supposedly wrong doing?

And they agree with me that a monk first need to contact the monk that is doing wrong and talk with him privately.

If that monk doesn't correct his behavior, then the monk that wants to correct the other monk has to stop right there because each person is responsible for his own actions and because the monk that wants to correct the other monk has done his best and he also has to respect the limits.

I will add here that in the monks rules, it is strictly prohibited for a monk to use insulting words against another monk.

https://en.dhammadana.org/sangha/vinaya/227/92pa.htm#ch-----2

pācittiya 2
"omasavāde pācittiyaṃ."

"Not to insult another bhikkhu. If, by means of abusive words, a bhikkhu verbally offends another bhikkhu, he commits a pācittiya."

That is why criticizing with insults was wrong specially because Bhante Samahita was a senior monk and the lower ranking monk has to respect him and never, never attempt to offend a senior monk in public.

Therefore, according to the vinaya rules, the monk who has use verbally offensive words against another monk has COMMITTED A PACITTIYA and he has to confess that offense in his own sangha for his own good.

2 - Is it correct for a lay person to criticize the actions of a monk, if the lay person consider that the monk has done something wrong?

And once again, the monks agree that there is nothing wrong, if a lay person (according to his/her understanding) tells a monk if he is doing something wrong.

Curiously, in the temple, like if the monk was reading my mind and before I asking anything, he started telling a story about a lay woman who appeared to have some mind reading powers. It just happened that there was a monk who each time was thinking wrongly, the women was able to read his mind and warned him about his bad thoughts. Then, the monk didn't like the fact that this woman was able to correct him each time this problem happened, so he went to the Buddha and complained about the woman, telling the Buddha that he can no longer stand being in that forest.

Curiously, the Buddha didn't see any wrongdoing from the part of the woman and ordered the monk to go back to the forest.

So, this story answer your question when you asked me if I was not afraid of criticizing a monk because you also didn't like it to be criticized by a lay person.

If you still don't recognize that you have done wrong. Then, show your post to your senior monks in your own sangha and I hope they can give you a good advice.

I wish you the best.

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