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A Buddhist discussion forum on the Dhamma of the Theravada
Dhamma Wheel is a Buddhist online forum, specializing in the early teachings of Buddhism, i.e., Theravada.
It was created on December 30, 2008 by Dr. David Snyder and Paul Davy. It is the main discussion area for the articles in this Dhamma Encyclopedia (Dhamma Wiki). It also is a place to discuss any other aspect of the Dhamma or for Buddhism in general. It is currently the largest, most visited Buddhist discussion forum on the internet.
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Old posts and stories have been moved Bhikkhu area - [Bhikkhu Bereich] (http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?board=45.0).Aramika
Mudita with those who could gain something from it, and it would be the silent and not expressing of sympatic joy and certain owed gratitude if not mention also personal benefit, whether it was intended or just grasped from certain circumstances.
Also mudita with those able to trace different of a real Dhammawheel and that wheels keeping you in the world for entertaining others or to get entertained, householder Dhamma that uses it simply as a beautification or that of compassion and faith of the Noble ones.
Where ever one gives into, to that one develops Upanissaya, get's bond.
My person could nothing but rebuke you, in manners like "Worthless man..." (carring so much responsibility), Brahman David NS , for you childlike foolish ways, so hurtfool now in such a good situation, but Brahman wouldn't listen... drunken, total indoxicated in youth, health and life.
The old Dramawheel of the jewish (Brahmans) and their bondage the lower class (social-addicted/dependend).
It's always the best time to wish others good success, happiness, the best and to be able to give the causes for it, when ones goodwill is based on sacca/honest, without bearing any anger within oneself, Nyom Mohan Gnanathilake . Sometimes thoughts are the maximum one can spread since sometimes others would not like to be huged and possible feel even provocated.
Quote from: BKh (yes one of the headless monks of a headless community of drug addicted and what ever else consumer folk... easy to make an earning... (https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?p=601522#p601522)Bhante Sujato has posted an essay here about the importance of maintaining true DhammaSuch arg-ument is a classic "Schuß ins Knie", or let's say, brings (confirms it) the matter simply into market fight and fear of traders...
https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/the-counterfeit-of-the-true-teaching/18622
Let's look as of how this current present species of yours will do on and argue a distinguish with their basic firm half-moral.
Actually offical traders are rightly more to be trusted, at least easier to recognize (which is at least fair, even it useless anyway), and sure also useless to remark that pointing out faults of lay people isn't without reason not proper to do by tjose thought to be Bhikkhus...
Quote from: Pondera https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?p=602716#p602716Quote from: Samana_JohannQuote from: Pondera“Discipline is for the purpose of restraint. Restraint is for the purpose of non-remorse. Non-remorse is for the purpose of joy.”
The only thing wrong with wasting your energy on porn is that if you restrain yourself from porn your kamma will improve and you will likely meet someone who you can share a real human relationship with (as opposed to cartoons).
But such, good householder, is called the Uposatha of the wild dog... (https://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/kn/j/j06/j300_en.html)... asceticism for later enjoyments, merely the way of the Jhains.
It doesn't end with "Non-remorse is for the purpose of joy...", if right view, dukkha, has been the first element of conditioned co-disapearing (lokuttara paṭiccasamuppāda). This training is made for release, not for joy.
Good householder; this training is gradual and includes joy along the way ..
Sure... and start with Respect, Confidence and Patient (https://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/thanissaro/respectconfidencepatient_en.html) of which can not be traced here arpund and (also) hardly ever in one after porn... so may householder just do on of what feeling fit to.
(btw... it's not unusual that one not behind gross goes even after corps and if able to be then without remorse and full of joy, well: stay with householder-traditions, "for what should be wrong with it, it's a death corps"...as for those who may wish not to fall into such disgrace, it might be good to envision such picture of oneself and there are even more ugly things daily getting in your news feeds, this dark sides of joy (btw. the vulgar word of female sex organ in Khmer language, using it like f**k or *hell* or *ohh!*.)
Aramika
Aside of grave wrongdoings which cut one of, there are "only" three reasons, as the Sublime Buddha told, why people go back into the lower life: drunken/indoxicated in youth, drunken in health, drunken in life. Short: not seeing the truth of Dukkha. No other valide reason can be found, or isn't again actually rooted in them.
But why busy in looking after those who, at least gave it a try? Don't one think that one not ordaining, "sitting in front of the TV, looking sports, no idea of doing it by himself", has in 90% other reasons not to ordain at first place.
As for "I don't ordain because not sure if I am able to resist...": well, what has been done has it's effects, what ever done, small or large, one has made "his". Someone seeking secure where there isn't, or hopes things will be fine without leaving stand/home/house, might be terrible sad, later, thing not done, yet strength already gone, war, hunger, pandemics, marxism has arosen, dukkha can be finally little be seen...
Well, common trade is surely better and not so misleading as "Robinhood-hood", and even praising such.
Maybe better to say: blessed who can live by what has been given (personaly), or at least asked for.
Taking "free" doesn't mean to not break apart, better never arrive, at full Sila, still carry on wrong view. And "free" doesn't mean no debts, no trade, but there are various reasons why one gives, even bonds to very grave wrong views.
Why not telling your own story if inspired to feed, to give, good householder? Maybe starting with:"Long time I rejected to go on for my self, but once I desiered to feed someone with a story he could relay on for a walkabout, but considering, I saw I actually had non, my own, to give. That made my terrible annoyed, a good pride forced myselft to change this poorness. "If they could, ordinary human, why can't I? That wouldn't be proper for me!" So I got the right focus, right there, which leaded myself into the holly life..."
Go on, don't waste time, if serious, and Devas will open closed gates...
This isn't hotel booking, travel considering, consumer exchange, this way out, but a closing door behind and leaving keys inside. Hoing on and search for refuge in the homeless state, as soon inspired and perceiving a member of the Sangha. Nothing needed to know aside of Dukkha and faith that there is a way out, meeting the Samana. Else will be given once in robes for a good walking on in this Dhamma-Vinaya, and to nothing else is one bond as to the Tripple Gems, different than having chosen and booked a suggested trip.
Much success and right fear as well as no fear in walking on good. This way isfastly closing up, less will find it in time before disappeared.
Thinking in terms of "we" is already a strong notion of secular view of the path, good householder. So it seems like one asks just from one world (secular) to take part on another or? "Ism" in addition makes it really an ironical seeming question, or doesn't it?
My person guesses, if honest reflecting, good householder could easy find release from his doubts and open question, right?
Did/does it last? Then just call it: not sure, not secure, good housholder, if looking after hardwood. Not sure, is a good word for it, isn't it?
/me : actually my person seeked to reach out for Nyom Birk, (salayatananirodha), as he's very on the way to burden his good and firm faith, but wasn't able, as assumed, in areas not dear to kill, take and destroy... maybe Nyom Moritz , could nevertheless reach out and tell him about open doors here.
Risking further be called "shameless thief", maybe Upasaka Mangaka would have benefit from getting touched, Nyom Moritz , surely risking being called co-thief, and so simply follow own inspiration.
Thus, since the Suttas are readily available, per the topic, there is no need to rely on modern monastics to act as flesh-and-bone intermediaries (gurus) to the Dhamma, despite some people's cravings for person-ality, soothing words, long stories, fatherly approval, community, belonging and the human touch.
First, Bhante "Amerikan-Monk": everybody with eyes knows that this group there wouldn't be able to receive encouragements.
Second: there are also rules in regard of who would be allowed to encourage the nuns.
Third: why using lay-people and their affliction to "solve" internal issues similar this group there does, or better try to let one shine by others faults?
Fourth: Accusing not knowing really, suspecting of grave faults, often does great fault toward oneself, or?
Fifth: what's the benefit for Bhante himself in acting in this way, at least he would be easy regarded as the forth Samana risisting in this world? Remember Mahametta and MN10. Kāyagatāsati and Satipaṭṭhāna are also powerful tools. Certain ways can not be changed and wise seek refuge under the Gems, no where else, those heading outward decay.
Papanca-blogging isn't for fostering faith in those without and not to increase faith in those having found. Rest can be seen in Snp 1.4., or? Having met once, who would compare?
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
Gavesin Sutta: About Gavesin
On one occasion the Blessed One was wandering on a tour among the Kosalans with a large community of monks. As he was going along a road, he saw a large sala forest in a certain place. Going down from the road, he went to the sala forest. On reaching it, he plunged into it and at a certain spot, broke into a smile. Then the thought occurred to Ven. Ananda, "What is the cause, what is the reason, for the Blessed One's breaking into a smile? It's not without purpose that Tathagata's break into smile." So he said to the Blessed One, "What is the cause, what is the reason, for the Blessed One's breaking into a smile? It's not without purpose that Tathagata's break into smile."
"In this spot, Ananda, there was once a great city: powerful, prosperous, populous, crowded with people. And on that city, Kassapa the Blessed One, worthy & fully self-awakened, dwelled dependent. Now, Kassapa the Blessed One, worthy & fully self-awakened, had a lay follower named Gavesin who didn't practice in full in terms of his virtue. But because of Gavesin, there were 500 people who had been inspired to declare themselves lay followers, and yet who also didn't practice in full in terms of their virtue.
"Then the thought occurred to Gavesin the lay follower: 'I am the benefactor of these 500 lay followers, their leader, the one who has inspired them. But I don't practice in full in terms of my virtue, just as they don't practice in full in terms of their virtue. In that we're exactly even; there's nothing extra [for me]. How about something extra!' So he went to the 500 lay followers and on arrival said to them, 'From today onward I want you to know me as someone who practices in full in terms of my virtue.'
"Then the thought occurred to the 500 lay followers: 'Master Gavesin is our benefactor, our leader, the one who has inspired us. He will now practice in full in terms of his virtue. So why shouldn't we?' So they went to Gavesin the lay follower and on arrival said to him, 'From today onward we want Master Gavesin to know the 500 lay followers as people who practice in full in terms of their virtue.'
"Then the thought occurred to Gavesin the lay follower: 'I am the benefactor of these 500 lay followers, their leader, the one who has inspired them. I practice in full in terms of my virtue, just as they practice in full in terms of their virtue. In that we're exactly even; there's nothing extra [for me]. How about something extra!' So he went to the 500 lay followers and on arrival said to them, 'From today onward I want you to know me as someone who practices the chaste life, the life apart, abstaining from intercourse, the act of villagers.'
"Then the thought occurred to the 500 lay followers: 'Master Gavesin is our benefactor, our leader, the one who has inspired us. He will now practice the chaste life, the life apart, abstaining from intercourse, the act of villagers. So why shouldn't we?' So they went to Gavesin the lay follower and on arrival said to him, 'From today onward we want Master Gavesin to know the 500 lay followers as people who practice the chaste life, the life apart, abstaining from intercourse, the act of villagers.'
"Then the thought occurred to Gavesin the lay follower: 'I am the benefactor of these 500 lay followers, their leader, the one who has inspired them. I practice in full in terms of my virtue, just as they practice in full in terms of their virtue. I practice the chaste life, the life apart, abstaining from intercourse, the act of villagers, just as they practice the chaste life, the life apart, abstaining from intercourse, the act of villagers. In that we're exactly even; there's nothing extra [for me]. How about something extra!' So he went to the 500 lay followers and on arrival said to them, 'From today onward I want you to know me as someone who eats only one meal a day, refraining in the night, abstaining from a meal at the wrong time.'
"Then the thought occurred to the 500 lay followers: 'Master Gavesin is our benefactor, our leader, the one who has inspired us. He will now eat only one meal a day, refraining in the night, abstaining from a meal at the wrong time. So why shouldn't we?' So they went to Gavesin the lay follower and on arrival said to him, 'From today onward we want Master Gavesin to know the 500 lay followers as people who eat only one meal a day, refraining in the night, abstaining from a meal at the wrong time.'
"Then the thought occurred to Gavesin the lay follower: 'I am the benefactor of these 500 lay followers, their leader, the one who has inspired them. I practice in full in terms of my virtue, just as they practice in full in terms of their virtue. I practice the chaste life, the life apart, abstaining from intercourse, the act of villagers, just as they practice the chaste life, the life apart, abstaining from intercourse, the act of villagers. I eat only one meal a day, refraining in the night, abstaining from a meal at the wrong time, just as they eat only one meal a day, refraining in the night, abstaining from a meal at the wrong time. In that we're exactly even; there's nothing extra [for me]. How about something extra!'
"So he went to Kassapa the Blessed One, worthy & fully self-awakened, and on arrival said to him, 'Lord, may I receive the Going Forth in the Blessed One's presence. May I receive the Full Acceptance.' So he received the Going Forth in the presence of Kassapa the Blessed One, worthy & fully self-awakened; he received the Going Forth. And not long after his admission — dwelling alone, secluded, heedful, ardent, & resolute — he in no long time reached & remained in the supreme goal of the chaste life, for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for himself in the here & now. He knew: 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for the sake of this world.' And thus Gavesin the monk became another one of the arahants.
"Then the thought occurred to the 500 lay followers: 'Master Gavesin is our benefactor, our leader, the one who has inspired us. Having shaven off his hair & beard, having put on the ochre robe, he has gone forth from the home life into homelessness. So why shouldn't we?'
"So they went to Kassapa the Blessed One, worthy & fully self-awakened, and on arrival said to him, 'Lord, may we receive the Going Forth in the Blessed One's presence. May we receive the Full Acceptance.' So they received the Going Forth in the presence of Kassapa the Blessed One, worthy & fully self-awakened; they received the Going Forth.
"Then the thought occurred to Gavesin the monk: 'I obtain at will — without difficulty, without hardship — this unexcelled bliss of release. O, that these 500 monks may obtain at will — without difficulty, without hardship — this unexcelled bliss of release!' Then those 500 monks — dwelling alone, secluded, heedful, ardent, & resolute — in no long time reached & remained in the supreme goal of the chaste life, for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for themselves in the here & now. They knew: 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for the sake of this world.' And thus did those 500 monks — headed by Gavesin, striving at what is more & more excellent, more & more refined — realize unexcelled release.
"So, Ananda, you should train yourselves: 'Striving at what is more & more excellent, more & more refined, we will realize unexcelled release.' That's how you should train yourselves."
After this Fake statement I was not/I am not willing to participate in that any more.Straight forward: such decision isn't for ones lose and good if one wise, tries to build Upanissaya toward the Gems rather to argue about householding, positions, views, other then right, Nyom. Yet like-a-like seek each other, meet again and again around an element.. Nyom, if wishing, may take account (guest posts can be added to it.)
Aramika
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