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Topic Summary

Posted by: Johann
« on: January 13, 2018, 05:24:49 PM »

Quote from: by Upasaka Chris on BSE
Inter-relation between the four brahmaviharas?

I read once, online, someone (perhaps in the Tibetan tradition if that matters) saying that the four brahmaviharas are inter-related -- in particular, that too much of one is counteracted by a bit of another.

For example:

* Feeling too sorry for someone (too much compassion/karuna) is counteracted by a bit of mudita (remembering the ways in which that person is virtuous or fortunate)

* Similarly, too much of each of the other three is counter-balanced by a bit of each of the others
I was reminded of it by this answer ("in good there is seed of bad").

I don't remember the explanation I read, though, and I wasn't able to find the reference again.

Is that anything you've heard before? If you know the explanation but don't know a reference for it, that's OK too (I'd be happy to read just your explanation of it even without a reference).

Nyom Chris ,

particular answer might be already given in [Q&A] How to view people with metta and karuna? in regard of how to use relations and deeds, gratitude, obligation useful for the Brahmavihara developments.

To the question direct, my person doubts that such as a direct relation was directly pointed out by the Buddha, but can be seen if looking in a larger frame of his whole teachings.

How ever, the use of a, from there araving, relation, useful for the practice, is a common and usual tool, certainly best expressed in the common recitation:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa


The Sublime Attitudes - Die erhabenen Haltungen

Ahaṃ sukhito homi
May I be happy.
Möge Ich glücklich sein.

Niddukkho homi
May I be free from stress & pain.
Möge ich frei von Stress und Schmerz sein.

Avero homi
May I be free from animosity.
Möge ich frei von Anfeindung sein.

Abyāpajjho homi
May I be free from oppression.
Möge ich frei von Unterdrückung sein.

Anīgho homi
May I be free from trouble.
Möge ich frei von Schwierigkeiten sein.

Sukhī attānaṃ pariharāmi
May I look after myself with ease.
Möge ich auch mich selbst mit Leichtigkeit achten.

(METTĀ — GOOD WILL / WOHLWOLLEN)

Sabbe sattā sukhitā hontu.
May all living beings be happy.
Mögen alle Lebewesen glücklich sein.

Sabbe sattā averā hontu.
May all living beings be free from animosity.
Mögen alle Lebewesen frei von Feindselligkeit sein.

Sabbe sattā abyāpajjhā hontu.
May all living beings be free from oppression.
Mögen alle Lebeswesen frei von Unterdrückung sein.

Sabbe sattā anīghā hontu.
May all living beings be free from trouble.
Mögen alle Lebewesen frei von Schwierigkeiten sein.

Sabbe sattā sukhī attānaṃ pariharantu.
May all living beings look after themselves with ease.
Mögen alle Lebewesen mit Leichtigkeit auf sich selber achten.

(KARUṆĀ — COMPASSION / MITGEFÜHL)

Sabbe sattā sabba-dukkhā pamuccantu.
May all living beings be freed from all stress & pain.
Mögen alle Lebenwesen von Stress und Schmerz befreit werden.

(MUDITĀ — APPRECIATION / ANERKENNUNG)

Sabbe sattā laddha-sampattito mā vigacchantu.
May all living beings not be deprived of the good fortune they have attained.
Mögen alle Lebewesen nicht der guten Bestimmung die sie erlangt haben, verlieren.

(UPEKKHĀ — EQUANIMITY / GLEICHMUT)

Sabbe sattā kammassakā kamma-dāyādā kamma-yonī kamma-bandhū kamma-paṭisaraṇā.
All living beings are the owners of their actions, heir to their actions, born of their actions, related through their actions, and live dependent on their actions.
Alle Lebewesen sind Besitzer ihrer Taten, Erben ihrer Taten, geboren aus deren Taten, verbunden durch deren Taten und leben abhängig von deren Taten.

Yaṃ kammaṃ karissanti kalyāṇaṃ vā pāpakaṃ vā tassa dāyādā bhavissanti.
Whatever they do, for good or for evil, to that will they fall heir.
Was immer sie tun, für ein Gutes oder Schlechtes, zu dessen Erbe werden sie fallen.

Sabbe sattā sadā hontu
Averā sukha-jīvino.

May all beings live happily,
always free from animosity.

Mögen alle Lebewesen glücklich leben,
stets frei von Feindseeligkeit.


Kataṃ puñña-phalaṃ mayhaṃ
Sabbe bhāgī bhavantu te.

May all share in the blessings
springing from the good I have done.

Mögen alle an dem Segen teilhaben,
der von dem Guten entspring, das ich getan.


Hotu sabbaṃ sumaṅgalaṃ
May there be every good blessing.
Mögen da jeder gute Segen sein.

Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May the devas protect you.
Mögen die Devas Sie beschützen.

Sabba-buddhānubhāvena
Through the power of all the Buddhas,
Durch die Macht aller Buddhas,

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ
May you forever be well.
Mögen Sie für immer wohlauf sein.

Hotu sabbaṃ sumaṅgalaṃ
May there be every good blessing.
Mögen da jeder gute Segen sein.

Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May the devas protect you.
Mögen die Devas Sie beschützen.

Sabba-dhammānubhāvena
Through the power of all the Dhamma,
Durch die Macht all des Dhammas,

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ
May you forever be well.
Mögen Sie für immer wohlauf sein.

Hotu sabbaṃ sumaṅgalaṃ
May there be every good blessing.
Mögen da jeder gute Segen sein.

Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May the devas protect you.
Mögen die Devas Sie beschützen.

Sabba-saṅghānubhāvena
Through the power of all the Sangha,
Durch die Macht der gesamten Sangha,

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ
May you forever be well.
Mögen Sie für immer wohlauf sein.

More in relation of use can be found in the book [En] The Sublime Attitudes: Study Guide on the Brahmaviharas, Bhante Thanissaro

...As part of right concentration, all four brahmavihāras can function as objects of jhāna, the strong levels of concentration that strengthen the mind’s
ability to make the sublime attitudes truly unlimited. The concentration based on these attitudes can also provide the mind with the steadiness and inner strength it needs for discernment to break through to total release.

Because the brahmavihāras function both toward the beginning and again toward the end of the path, they have an interactive relationship with all the other path factors. On the one hand, they provide the motivation to practice right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, and right mindfulness both for one’s own good and for the good of others. On the other hand, the development of concentration based on the brahmavihāras requires, as a prerequisite, that you work on making your thoughts, words, and deeds harmless, for otherwise your concentration will be undermined by hypocrisy. Actually, all the factors of the path have an interactive relationship, interpenetrating and strengthening one another along the way. This means that the brahmavihāras, as elements in right resolve and right concentration, also strengthen right view, the first factor of the path, just as right view gives them guidance.

To begin with, right view is not simply a collection of facts about the world. Instead, it focuses attention on a single problem, which is an issue of goodwill and compassion: how to understand causality in a way that helps put an end to suffering. In this way, the brahmavihāras provide direction for the use of discernment on the path.

At the same time, the brahmavihāras in the context of the path take their guidance from right view so that they don’t flounder around in wishful thinking or ineffectual resolves. Instead, grounded in a clear understanding of cause and effect, they are focused on the most effective ways of achieving their aspirations.
...

Feel free to ask further an it share it or parts on Buddhism-SE in frames of Dhamma Dana.

Plauderbox

 

Cheav Villa

December 14, 2018, 02:06:47 PM
_/\_  _/\_  _/\_
 

Johann

December 14, 2018, 01:54:10 PM
Better, yes. Lesser fibre, only soft malary attacks seemingly ending. Abscesses going to an end, flu nearly gone and some time walk outside, some
more strength, as well already. Best supported by those near and far, direct, indirect. Sadhu Nyom Villa, Nyom Sophorn.
 

Cheav Villa

December 14, 2018, 01:50:17 PM
Vandami Bhante _/\_
Tomorrow early morning
Vithou, His brotherinlaw and Kana's brother Virak they will leave at 5am to Aural wished to visit Bhante and offering some medecines_/\_
 

Cheav Villa

December 13, 2018, 01:39:00 PM
ព្រះអង្គបានធូរខ្លះហេីយ _/\_
 

Sophorn

December 11, 2018, 04:43:02 PM
 :-* :-* :-*
May Bhante recover fast again
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

December 10, 2018, 12:22:01 PM
...many.May Nyom Sokdina let it be known if he desires for an explaining of why modern ideas and demanding go not at all in conformity with the Buddhas Dhamma but are at large leading downwardly.
 

Johann

December 10, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
Thinking in therms of rights is grave wrong view, miccha ditthi. And there are times when voting is not usefull. Of cause people who go after such ideas simply search for relexation, fun and joy and will be not satisfied by the Dhamma, Nyom Sokdina. Don't follow fools and see the many goodness of ma
 

Kong Sokdina

December 10, 2018, 10:33:43 AM
ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ!
Human rigths!
Women rigths,
Children rights,
Democrecy;
We know the right to do. I use self-reflaction to our mind what are something in. The right way is a good way all wr wish. I have to g
ask you about the breath relaxation, meditatii
 

Cheav Villa

December 10, 2018, 09:43:12 AM
សូមព្រះអង្គបានសម្រាក និងឆាន់ថ្នាំ សូមព្រះអង្គឆាប់ធូរស្បេីយពីរោគា
_/\_
 

Johann

December 10, 2018, 09:12:24 AM
Krun Chan did the arriving appear faster and binds to rest. Everything fine, dhammata.
 

Sophorn

December 10, 2018, 07:03:39 AM
 :-* :-* :-* kana is good. Kana assumes Bhante arrived well at Thmor Touk again.
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

December 09, 2018, 02:16:13 PM
Upanissaya, Nyom Villa... "accidents"...
 

Cheav Villa

December 09, 2018, 02:08:10 PM
ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ _/\_
 :D កូណាស្មនត្រូវថាព្រះអង្គនឹងត្រឡប់ទៅដល់អាស្រមវិញនាល្ងាចថ្ងៃអាទិត្យនេះ _/\_
 

Khemakumara

December 09, 2018, 01:33:19 AM
Nyom Sophorn, everything is fine!  How is nyom?
 

Sophorn

December 08, 2018, 05:40:28 PM
 :-* :-* :-* vandami Bhante Khemakura, how is Bhante?
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Sophorn

December 08, 2018, 05:40:24 PM
 :-* :-* :-* vandami Bhante Khemakura, how is Bhante?
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Cheav Villa

December 07, 2018, 01:18:12 PM
Kana Preah Ang _/\_
 

Khemakumara

December 07, 2018, 01:10:24 PM
Nyom Cheav Villa
 

Cheav Villa

December 05, 2018, 02:54:44 PM
Kana thought Bhante Johann could have left Watt Ayum on Tuesday morning _/\_
 

Cheav Villa

December 05, 2018, 12:04:44 PM
ព្រះអង្គ​Inddanano _/\_
 

Kong Sokdina

December 04, 2018, 11:52:14 AM
Sadhu! Kana Prah Ang;
There are many ways to wash & clean the all minds, Preah konmchas; i had been taught by prf. from Spain with theory & practice as well since 2006-2009 and i also let my clients to do like whatever you have told me right now. For me at this time; it should use cognitive behavio
 

Khemakumara

December 03, 2018, 05:06:22 PM
Sadhu!  Möge es Nyom Roman und Nyom Moritz gut er-gehen!
 

Moritz

December 03, 2018, 05:03:40 PM
Ebenso _/\_
 

Roman

December 03, 2018, 04:58:02 PM
ich wünsche Allen einen friedevollen Abend!
 

Roman

December 03, 2018, 04:55:34 PM
Guten Abend Moritz und Bhante Khemakumara
 

Khemakumara

December 03, 2018, 04:54:47 PM
Nyom Moritz Nyom Roman
 

Moritz

December 03, 2018, 04:45:52 PM
Vandami, Bhante Indaññano and Bhante Khemakumara _/\_
 

Cheav Villa

December 03, 2018, 12:05:41 PM
Kana Prah Ang  :D _/\_
 

Khemakumara

December 03, 2018, 12:01:58 PM
Nyom Cheav Villa
 

Johann

December 03, 2018, 09:37:36 AM
Nyom Sokdina. It would be good if Nyom could participate on the up-coming Meditation week-end at Wat Akyum to clean the mind.
 

Kong Sokdina

December 03, 2018, 02:15:52 AM
Nyoms! Last night, a gouhter is affect by irritable cougbhing so it disurbance to sleep.
 

Kong Sokdina

December 03, 2018, 02:11:21 AM
Sadhu! Thanks!
It is just  tried to give up & burn out of bad spiritul inside. Your Wishes isi good for all.
 

Sophorn

December 02, 2018, 08:48:58 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
may you recover well and fast  :-* :-* :-*
 

Kong Sokdina

December 02, 2018, 02:18:46 AM
Respectfully
Today, my is ill with lower blood pressure & blurred sion. But she tries to see because she really praises excellent merit, moral & virtue. How do you think  , as humanbeing?
 

Cheav Villa

December 01, 2018, 12:29:08 PM
 :o ព្រះអង្គស្រេងអាចនឹងដំឡេីងកម្មវិធីទាំងអស់នោះវិញបាននៅពេលក្រោយ ព្រះអង្គ _/\_
 

Johann

December 01, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
Not easy, but Atma has now erased all facebook, messenger.. apps on Bhantes device. Maybe possible to prepar the old Sangha-laptop in proper ways for him.
 

Johann

December 01, 2018, 07:58:21 AM
If wishing, you could use the Pali-language forum, http://sangham.net/index.php/board,26.0.html for your lessons.
 

Cheav Villa

December 01, 2018, 06:57:19 AM
 :D _/\_
 

Johann

December 01, 2018, 06:48:05 AM
.. was written by Johann
 

Indaññāno

December 01, 2018, 06:45:34 AM
It's good to make everything that Huang's may not use messenger and things like Facebook! Of course there is support (given support) needed to do so. Don't pull monks into the worlds markets and ways.
 

Cheav Villa

December 01, 2018, 06:00:30 AM
Kuna Prah Ang  :D _/\_
 

Johann

December 01, 2018, 05:22:57 AM
Bhante is just taking his meal, Nyom.
 

Cheav Villa

December 01, 2018, 04:40:17 AM
ព្រះអង្គ ឥន្ទញាណោ _/\_
 

Sophorn

November 30, 2018, 11:20:52 AM
 :-* :-* :-* sadhu and mudita to hear so.
 :-* :-* :-*
 

Cheav Villa

November 30, 2018, 05:52:17 AM
Sadhu _/\_
 

Johann

November 30, 2018, 05:43:37 AM
Everything "fine", better Dhammata, Nyom. Atma met Nyom. His mind is attentive, he could listen and its up to his own further investigation, blessed, being bound to care only about his breath for the time left.
 

Cheav Villa

November 29, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
តេីសុខភាពពិបាកទ្រាំ ដែរទេព្រះអង្គ? និងលោកតាឧបាសក?
 

Cheav Villa

November 29, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ  :D
_/\_
 

Cheav Villa

November 29, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
ថ្វាយបង្គំព្រះអង្គ  :D
_/\_
 

Khemakumara

November 29, 2018, 11:10:38 AM
Sadhu

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