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Posted by: Johann
« on: January 13, 2018, 05:24:49 PM »

Quote from: by Upasaka Chris on BSE
Inter-relation between the four brahmaviharas?

I read once, online, someone (perhaps in the Tibetan tradition if that matters) saying that the four brahmaviharas are inter-related -- in particular, that too much of one is counteracted by a bit of another.

For example:

* Feeling too sorry for someone (too much compassion/karuna) is counteracted by a bit of mudita (remembering the ways in which that person is virtuous or fortunate)

* Similarly, too much of each of the other three is counter-balanced by a bit of each of the others
I was reminded of it by this answer ("in good there is seed of bad").

I don't remember the explanation I read, though, and I wasn't able to find the reference again.

Is that anything you've heard before? If you know the explanation but don't know a reference for it, that's OK too (I'd be happy to read just your explanation of it even without a reference).

Nyom Chris ,

particular answer might be already given in [Q&A] How to view people with metta and karuna? in regard of how to use relations and deeds, gratitude, obligation useful for the Brahmavihara developments.

To the question direct, my person doubts that such as a direct relation was directly pointed out by the Buddha, but can be seen if looking in a larger frame of his whole teachings.

How ever, the use of a, from there araving, relation, useful for the practice, is a common and usual tool, certainly best expressed in the common recitation:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

The Sublime Attitudes - Die erhabenen Haltungen

Ahaṃ sukhito homi
May I be happy.
Möge Ich glücklich sein.

Niddukkho homi
May I be free from stress & pain.
Möge ich frei von Stress und Schmerz sein.

Avero homi
May I be free from animosity.
Möge ich frei von Anfeindung sein.

Abyāpajjho homi
May I be free from oppression.
Möge ich frei von Unterdrückung sein.

Anīgho homi
May I be free from trouble.
Möge ich frei von Schwierigkeiten sein.

Sukhī attānaṃ pariharāmi
May I look after myself with ease.
Möge ich auch mich selbst mit Leichtigkeit achten.


Sabbe sattā sukhitā hontu.
May all living beings be happy.
Mögen alle Lebewesen glücklich sein.

Sabbe sattā averā hontu.
May all living beings be free from animosity.
Mögen alle Lebewesen frei von Feindselligkeit sein.

Sabbe sattā abyāpajjhā hontu.
May all living beings be free from oppression.
Mögen alle Lebeswesen frei von Unterdrückung sein.

Sabbe sattā anīghā hontu.
May all living beings be free from trouble.
Mögen alle Lebewesen frei von Schwierigkeiten sein.

Sabbe sattā sukhī attānaṃ pariharantu.
May all living beings look after themselves with ease.
Mögen alle Lebewesen mit Leichtigkeit auf sich selber achten.


Sabbe sattā sabba-dukkhā pamuccantu.
May all living beings be freed from all stress & pain.
Mögen alle Lebenwesen von Stress und Schmerz befreit werden.


Sabbe sattā laddha-sampattito mā vigacchantu.
May all living beings not be deprived of the good fortune they have attained.
Mögen alle Lebewesen nicht der guten Bestimmung die sie erlangt haben, verlieren.


Sabbe sattā kammassakā kamma-dāyādā kamma-yonī kamma-bandhū kamma-paṭisaraṇā.
All living beings are the owners of their actions, heir to their actions, born of their actions, related through their actions, and live dependent on their actions.
Alle Lebewesen sind Besitzer ihrer Taten, Erben ihrer Taten, geboren aus deren Taten, verbunden durch deren Taten und leben abhängig von deren Taten.

Yaṃ kammaṃ karissanti kalyāṇaṃ vā pāpakaṃ vā tassa dāyādā bhavissanti.
Whatever they do, for good or for evil, to that will they fall heir.
Was immer sie tun, für ein Gutes oder Schlechtes, zu dessen Erbe werden sie fallen.

Sabbe sattā sadā hontu
Averā sukha-jīvino.

May all beings live happily,
always free from animosity.

Mögen alle Lebewesen glücklich leben,
stets frei von Feindseeligkeit.

Kataṃ puñña-phalaṃ mayhaṃ
Sabbe bhāgī bhavantu te.

May all share in the blessings
springing from the good I have done.

Mögen alle an dem Segen teilhaben,
der von dem Guten entspring, das ich getan.

Hotu sabbaṃ sumaṅgalaṃ
May there be every good blessing.
Mögen da jeder gute Segen sein.

Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May the devas protect you.
Mögen die Devas Sie beschützen.

Through the power of all the Buddhas,
Durch die Macht aller Buddhas,

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ
May you forever be well.
Mögen Sie für immer wohlauf sein.

Hotu sabbaṃ sumaṅgalaṃ
May there be every good blessing.
Mögen da jeder gute Segen sein.

Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May the devas protect you.
Mögen die Devas Sie beschützen.

Through the power of all the Dhamma,
Durch die Macht all des Dhammas,

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ
May you forever be well.
Mögen Sie für immer wohlauf sein.

Hotu sabbaṃ sumaṅgalaṃ
May there be every good blessing.
Mögen da jeder gute Segen sein.

Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May the devas protect you.
Mögen die Devas Sie beschützen.

Through the power of all the Sangha,
Durch die Macht der gesamten Sangha,

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ
May you forever be well.
Mögen Sie für immer wohlauf sein.

More in relation of use can be found in the book [En] The Sublime Attitudes: Study Guide on the Brahmaviharas, Bhante Thanissaro

...As part of right concentration, all four brahmavihāras can function as objects of jhāna, the strong levels of concentration that strengthen the mind’s
ability to make the sublime attitudes truly unlimited. The concentration based on these attitudes can also provide the mind with the steadiness and inner strength it needs for discernment to break through to total release.

Because the brahmavihāras function both toward the beginning and again toward the end of the path, they have an interactive relationship with all the other path factors. On the one hand, they provide the motivation to practice right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, and right mindfulness both for one’s own good and for the good of others. On the other hand, the development of concentration based on the brahmavihāras requires, as a prerequisite, that you work on making your thoughts, words, and deeds harmless, for otherwise your concentration will be undermined by hypocrisy. Actually, all the factors of the path have an interactive relationship, interpenetrating and strengthening one another along the way. This means that the brahmavihāras, as elements in right resolve and right concentration, also strengthen right view, the first factor of the path, just as right view gives them guidance.

To begin with, right view is not simply a collection of facts about the world. Instead, it focuses attention on a single problem, which is an issue of goodwill and compassion: how to understand causality in a way that helps put an end to suffering. In this way, the brahmavihāras provide direction for the use of discernment on the path.

At the same time, the brahmavihāras in the context of the path take their guidance from right view so that they don’t flounder around in wishful thinking or ineffectual resolves. Instead, grounded in a clear understanding of cause and effect, they are focused on the most effective ways of achieving their aspirations.

Feel free to ask further an it share it or parts on Buddhism-SE in frames of Dhamma Dana.
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Today at 09:52:48 AM
 :-* heute ist uposatha!! ich wünsche allen ein verdienstvollen tag! mögen die devas jene bescheid geben, die kein zugang haben! :-*


March 23, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
Sadhu! Zu was immer einer Zuflucht nimmt, sich hingibt, daran erfreut, das wird/ist sein Schutz, für Bindung oder Ungebundenheit.


March 23, 2018, 01:43:01 AM
 :-* möge die drei juwelen den ehrwürdigen bhante beschützen und ihn auf seinem weg unterstützen :-*


March 23, 2018, 01:28:02 AM
Kampf der Devas mit den Asuras um den Berg. :)


March 23, 2018, 01:26:30 AM
Regenzeit... außen trüb und unangenehm, nagend, faulend, doch dahinter ist alles fein.


March 23, 2018, 01:10:47 AM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, ja soweit alles gut! und wie geht es ihnen?  :-*


March 23, 2018, 12:58:05 AM
verlesen... Marcel :) alles gut im (ver)laufen?


March 23, 2018, 12:26:23 AM


March 21, 2018, 03:42:55 PM


March 21, 2018, 03:32:47 PM
 :-* mögen sie alle noch in diesem leben das herz von avijja befreien!!! :-*


March 19, 2018, 05:20:12 AM
This "wiki"-like backup tool is meant as a outwardy insurance that one does not be afraid that anything possible good can be desroyed or made bad while looking for cleaning it. So worry at all, kamma does not dissapear. No need to fear to make good deeds, knowing that.


March 19, 2018, 04:03:35 AM
And there is no intention to just make a museum out of a working and concentration camp, since the Dhamma can not be understood by just looking on forms but by learning and experiance skillful deeds.


March 19, 2018, 04:00:47 AM
Post-history: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,1164.0.html (but there is no notification system). My person uses to make a @mention , off topic "/me" in the OP.


March 19, 2018, 03:49:28 AM
Or to simply make a new post. No need to be shy in doing good things. It's not a museum, it's a working and concentration place. Mudita.


March 19, 2018, 03:47:57 AM
There is such as a "wiki" backup function in all posts, Nyom Danilo. Good is to use the mention option, at the places where making changes @Johann , that it gets not "lost".


March 19, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
I have a backup of the original post in any case. I might review the second post next time. Very insightful teaching. _/\_


March 19, 2018, 03:01:35 AM
I've recently fixed many words and sentences of the first post of the thread "Debts, but to whom?". It take me some time trying to figure out the meaning of some sentences. So it would be good if Bhante could check if the original intended meaning of the post still intact. I have a backup of the ori


March 19, 2018, 01:57:28 AM
_/\_ _/\_ _/\_


March 19, 2018, 12:01:09 AM
One leading to peaks pointing downward so that aging, sickness and death can be seen, know him/her as a sage, a giver of release.


March 18, 2018, 11:57:30 PM
One leading people to papanca, promoting rejoicing in objectification as the heart wood, increases to fields of corpse in the world.


March 18, 2018, 12:03:14 AM
Good night _/\_


March 17, 2018, 11:59:14 PM
Vandami, Bhante _/\_


March 17, 2018, 11:51:37 PM


March 16, 2018, 01:19:17 AM


March 15, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
 :-* ich wünschen allen einen verdienstvollen uposatha  :-*


March 14, 2018, 11:19:11 PM
Sounds like a good idea to rest. I will be taking a break from the internet for a while i feel detached a lot from the worldly feminisms and all. It is wonderful not to be lusting, walking the streets with lowered gaze, delighting in meditation... I fear it compromises me to even think about the pol


March 14, 2018, 11:10:27 PM


March 14, 2018, 10:58:38 PM
Marcel, Morits, Upasaka X, it's time to break up this auspicious coming in touch now also for my person. Observe, remember, how you have been yesterday an now and guess of what will be tomorrow probably... maybe just not sure.


March 14, 2018, 10:06:46 PM
Sadhu, _/\_

may Bhante have a peaceful day.

Chom reap sour.


March 14, 2018, 09:58:42 PM
 :-* :-* :-*


March 14, 2018, 09:55:00 PM
O yes... will be a long day, this yesterday, but possible a remorseless.


March 14, 2018, 09:46:45 PM
Vandami Bhante,
good evening (morning in Cambodia?).



March 14, 2018, 03:03:38 AM
Wie war es gestern? Wie geht es heute?

How was it yesterday? How are you today?


March 06, 2018, 02:24:03 PM
Nyom Jens.


March 05, 2018, 02:25:22 PM
 :-* erhwürdiger bhante johann  :-*


March 05, 2018, 02:17:57 PM
Nyom Marcel


March 01, 2018, 12:52:02 AM
Sadhu, eine des Magha-puja allen jenen die sie heute Begehen.


February 28, 2018, 09:48:58 PM
 :-* allen ein verdienstvollen uposatha tag :-*


February 24, 2018, 02:37:41 AM


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February 24, 2018, 12:50:00 AM
Es ist sehr selten, ungewöhnlich und erfreulich, zur Mitfreude anregend, junge Menschen Kloster aufsuchend zu sehen.


February 23, 2018, 02:56:54 PM
Namasakara, Bhante _/\_


February 23, 2018, 04:04:45 AM


February 23, 2018, 02:16:16 AM
Nyom Danilo.
(Atma will leave for a while for his almsround.)


February 22, 2018, 10:08:41 PM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, ja ich ahb die khmer tastatur installiert! ich werde in den nächsten tagen text teilen und berichten!  :-*


February 22, 2018, 12:34:06 PM
Hat Nyom Marcel schon eine Khmer Tastatur installiert?


February 22, 2018, 12:32:21 PM
So ist das. Wenn Nahrung aufgebraucht, dann ist da für eine Weile Ende, und Wiedergeboren, es wieder brennen wird. Zum endgültigen legen des Feuers sind wir hier, oder? Pfau ruft, Gecko balzt, alles in Ordnung, oder?


February 22, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
 :-* ehrwürdiger bhante johann, letzte nacht davon geträumt, dass es beim ashram brennt!!
ich hoffe, das feuer hat sich gelegt  :-*


February 22, 2018, 11:43:37 AM
Nyom Marcel.

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