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Posted by: Johann
« on: June 13, 2018, 07:33:51 AM »

If it happened, that you had been engaged to take on, maybe a lost, child of the wilds, another culture, made if your own without knowing and understandig the species way, even made it an adornment, an item of your zoo to run your trades for worldly gains, try to find the Childs heritage, the heirs of the tradition, the Noble ones and carefully offer and give it back to it's kind, like people try to reintegrate seldom animals into protected wilds.

It's not sure that it might be readopted having gained possible other kinds smell. But that's at least out of your control and up to the traditions wisdom.

For one releasing not into such as puplic domain, but toward higher, it's kind, encourages in simply protecting it from worldly, how ever public domains and declares the owner and heritage carrier as its kind, one giving release of what is not his/her own, can expect to gain leave toward the Noble ones and change ancestor ship to one aiming in highest release.

For those gradping after the heritage of yhe Gems and depriving the carrier from means to exist in proper ways, such, by binding and making what is not his own, his own, one stealing culture, such one is indeed for a long time bond and not capable to grow and escape the wheel of aging, sickness, death and birth, has deliberated deprive himself and his kind, bond to him from prosperity in the holly life.
Posted by: Johann
« on: June 13, 2018, 04:16:36 AM »

Communist "Mohayana"-monks, althought they might perfectly missuse and steal from the Gems, althought they are praised by outsider and even if having ordained, are regarded as "Bhikkhus having gone over to other religions" and are outside the tradition of the Noble Ones.

How ever Bodhi and Brahm they might present themselves.

So be careful Susan, of which Gem traders you probably pay devotion and salute. Cultural Gem-dealer are skilled in using fools and eventually heading worlds wars.
Posted by: Johann
« on: June 13, 2018, 01:35:54 AM »

People at large, not only that they even killed as long history can be traced, are not even dare to kill father and mother, their siblings, to gain the heritage their desire, sell and exchange, use it for their improper desired gains.

And the fact, that since not having arrived at the Dhamma, one is capable for grave wrongdoings, actually cutting one off the heritage for a long long time, destinated in hell.

Althought people of integrity might appear among cultures of thieves from time to time, newer would they go into trade or associate with them.

In this way it's good to reflect all modern and western undertakings, from trade with Dhamma till National and Lay Union and lay leading approaches, of how the basic principes of not depriving from existance, not taking what is not given, not abuse, not speaking what is not true, and indoxicating with youth, health and live, without refuge harm themselves, the world at large and set a minority to leave this world.

That some would always forgive ones acts, a person of integrity, does not release one from effects of ones deeds. Thats an importand matter to think about, since many base their actions on the hope that fruits of actiins wilk not fall on them, that maybe a supernatural power will release them by just praying and begging. No one is capable to display mercy in regard of cause and effect, peoples strong condition causes and effects of their kamma.

Large thieves, introduced by outsiders and seperated monks and nuns, are today leaded by lay people with even lesser respect, missusing the sublime lables to do their trade and lead the cultural holocaust, with red flags, social and nationalistic painted, with their worldly means and education (propaganda).

"Susans beware of the devils"

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MN 97: Dhanañjani Sutta — To Dhanañjani  {M ii 184} [Thanissaro]. A poignant story of a lay person whose welfare was of special concern to Ven. Sariputta, this discourse teaches two lessons in heedfulness. (1) If you're engaging in wrong livelihood, don't expect to escape the karmic consequences even if you're doing it to fulfil your duties to your family, parents, or friends. (2) Don't be satisfied with mundane levels of attainment in meditation when there is still more to be done.
Posted by: Johann
« on: June 12, 2018, 03:39:52 PM »

Quote from: Upasika Gabriella on DWE
Susan Scafidi, a Law Professor specifically says it is:

Taking intellectual property, traditional knowledge, cultural expressions, or artifacts from someone else's culture without permission. This can include unauthorized use of another culture's dance, dress, music, language, folklore, cuisine, traditional medicine, religious symbols, etc. It's most likely to be harmful when the source community is a ​minority group that has been oppressed or exploited in other ways or when the object of appropriation is particularly sensitive, e.g. sacred objects.”


So it's essentially a violation of copyright or fraud in the guise of "borrowing".

If you take something and pass it off your own, it's stealing.

If you present something as authentic or real when it isn't, it's fraud.

People might make a stink about it if they don't like how it's dealing in inauthenticity, but if there is respect it wouldn't be an issue.

Sadhu! But let's ask law an Dhamma in regard of the issue if "stealing" such from a cultur-thief cultur? From people who are used to steal what ever culture to but on their lable.

"Living in/on affliction by thief"

Would to steal, immitate their ways somehow, like if copy and past here, be ok to point it out, giving an appreciation? Or is it in some cases not a stealing in either do not making it, or making it ones own?

Would it be ok to use an art and just put another lable on it, or a lable and put another art under it?

How is the minority-aspect to be seen, in regard of Buddhist, Dhamma? Could such possible require "harsh" steps to beware of wrong doing and association with thieves?

What about "pulling" a (worldly) culture liberation out of a worldly pseudo-liberation cultur? Would it be a thief?

Plauderbox

 

Johann

October 20, 2018, 02:52:14 AM
Atma leaves for alms round, Nyom Villa.
 

Johann

October 17, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
May all spend meritorious/good and higher last hours of this Sila-day.

Sokh chomreoun (may well being be developed [by everyone])
 

Johann

October 16, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Nyom Roman.
 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

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