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Posted by: Johann
« on: December 12, 2015, 06:56:38 AM »


Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Samajivina Sutta: Stimmig leben

Einst verweilte der Befreite unter den Bhaggas im Wildpark, beim Bhesakala-Hain, nahe dem Leiblingspatz der Krokodile. Dann, früh am Morgen, legte der Befreite seine Robe an und, seine Schale und äußere Robe tragend, ging er zum Heim von Haushälter Nakulas Vater. Mit Ankunft setzte er sich auf einem bereit gemachten Sitz nieder. Dann gingen Nakulas Vater und Nakulas Mutter zum Befreiten, und mit Ankunft, sich vor ihm verneigt habend, setzen sie sich an eine Seite. Als sie dort saßen, sprach Nakulas Vater zum Befreiten: "Herr, seit dem Nakulas Mutter, als ein junges Mädchen zu mir [um meine Frau zu sein] gebracht wurde, als ich gerade erst ein junger Bub war, bin ich mir nicht bewußt ihr untreu, selbst nur im Geist, gewesen zu sein, noch weniger mit dem Körper. Wir wollen uns nicht nur im gegenwärtigen Leben treffen, sondern auch in den kommenden Leben."

Und Nakulas Mutter sagte zum Befreiten: "Herr, seit dem ich als junges Mädchen, zu Nakulas Vater gebracht wurde [um seine Frau zu sein], als er gerade erst ein junger Bub was, bin ich mir nicht bewußt ihn untreu, selbst nur im Geist, gewesen zu sein, noch weniger mit dem Körper. Wir wollen uns nicht nur im gegenwärtigen Leben treffen, sondern auch in den kommenden Leben."

[Der Befreite sagte:] "Wenn beide, Ehemann und Ehefrau, einander nicht nur im gegenwärtigen Leben, sondern auch in den kommenden Leben treffen wollen, sollten sie [miteinander] stimmig in Überzeugung, stimmig in Tugend, stimmig in Großzügigkeit und stimmig in Einsicht sein. Dann werden sie sich nicht nur im gegenwärtigen Leben, sondern auch in kommenden Leben, treffen."

Ehemann und Ehefrau, beide
   Überzeugung habend,
   empfänglich seiend,
   beherrscht seiend,
   mit dem Dhamma lebend,
   sich gegenseitig aufwartend
   mit lieben Worten:
profitieren sie in vielfältiger Art.
   Zu ihnen kommt Segen.
Deren Feinde sind entmutigt
   wenn beide stimmig in Tugend sind.
Dem Dhamma hier in dieser Welt gefolgt,
   beide stimmig in Tugenden und Ausübungen,
erfreuen sie sich in der Welt der Devas,
genießen die Freuden die sie begehren.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Samajivina Sutta: Living in Tune

Once the Blessed One was staying among the Bhaggas in the Deer Park at Bhesakala Grove, near Crocodile Haunt. Then early in the morning the Blessed One put on his robes and, carrying his bowl and outer robe, went to the home of the householder, Nakula's father. On arrival, he sat down on a seat made ready. Then Nakula's father & Nakula's mother went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As they were sitting there, Nakula's father said to the Blessed One: "Lord, ever since Nakula's mother as a young girl was brought to me [to be my wife] when I was just a young boy, I am not conscious of being unfaithful to her even in mind, much less in body. We want to see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come."

And Nakula's mother said to the Blessed One: "Lord, ever since I as a young girl was brought to Nakula's father [to be his wife] when he was just a young boy, I am not conscious of being unfaithful to him even in mind, much less in body. We want to see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come."

[The Blessed One said:] "If both husband & wife want to see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come, they should be in tune [with each other] in conviction, in tune in virtue, in tune in generosity, and in tune in discernment. Then they will see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come."

Husband & wife, both of them
   having conviction,
   being responsive,
   being restrained,
   living by the Dhamma,
   addressing each other
   with loving words:
they benefit in manifold ways.
   To them comes bliss.
Their enemies are dejected
   when both are in tune in virtue.
Having followed the Dhamma here in this world,
   both in tune in precepts & practices,
they delight in the world of the devas,
enjoying the pleasures they desire.
Posted by: Johann
« on: November 15, 2013, 02:45:10 PM »

Die Erzählung von dem Feenmännchen Canda

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„Viel lieber will ich sterben jetzt,
doch nicht, o König, dir gehören,
der du den Feenmann getötet,
den schuldlosen, aus Lust nach mir!“

Tis passing away

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"No! I will surely slay myself! thine I will never be, Who slew my husband innocent and all for lust for me."
Posted by: Johann
« on: November 15, 2013, 02:41:22 PM »

(Dieses Thema ist nicht freigegeben für Kinder und Jugendliche unter 18 Jahren)

 *sgift*

Werte Dhammafreunde,

unter euch sind ja sicherlich viele, die nicht nur "Denver Clan" und romantische Geschichten lieben. Wenn da der eine oder andere doch noch nach der allerhöchsten Buddhaschaft strebt, mögen hier ein paar Geschichten zum guten Umgang miteinander ermutigen, erinnern und inspirieren.

Dennoch, vergesst bei all dem nie euch damit zu befassen, ob die Buddhaschaft als Ausrede für die Leidenschaft, oder die Leidenschaft als Herausforderung für die Buddhaschaft steht. Man macht sich ja immer gerne etwas vor und der Geist hat viele Tricks. Deshalb hier auch ein Romanze eines Waldasketen, um sich auch stets des jederzeitigen Ausweges bewußt zu sein:
Der spirituelle Partner , denn "wenn sie nicht erleuchtet sind, werden, altern, erkranken, sterben sie noch heute.

Viel Freude mit der romantischen Entdeckungsreise durch die Affären des Bodhisattvas.

 :)



(This thread is not accessible for children and adolescents below 18 years.)

 *sgift*

Valued Dhammafriends,

amongst you are certainly some who not only love "Denver Clan" and romantic love stories. If there is one or another who indeed wants to strive for buddhahood then these stories may encourage to, remind of or inspire to have good association with others.

Yet, don't forget  to give attention to whether the buddhahood is an excuse for passion or if passion is the challenge for buddhahood. One is easily bound to fool oneself and the mind has many tricks and games. Therefore, hier a romance of a forest ascetic to remind that a conscious way out is possible at any time:
Der spirituelle Partner , and if they have not enlightened yet, they still become, age, fall ill and die today.

Have delight with the romantic expedition through the affairs of bodhisatvas.

 :)

Plauderbox

 

Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

gus

October 04, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
Khamatu me bhante!
My previous  post was this.
"Please forgive me and give birth to kindness ao as to let me live here anonymous "
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:21:35 AM
... doing so based on gratitude without just trading in giving, or out of duty in a relation one resits, one is able to get not only to the borders, but into Noble ones domain.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:19:27 AM
And to put much into such sacrifies of giving ones honor, ones dwelling, ones source of food (family), one possession (even intelectual), the Dhamma one has made his own

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