Can a wholesale dismissal of Non-Theravada traditions result in Ariyupavadantaraya?
A question for those well-familiar with non-Theravada traditions and texts, as titled:
Can a wholesale dismissal of Non-Theravada traditions such as Zen or Mahayana result in Ariyupavadantaraya*?
*offense of reviling a Noble person
Venerable members of the Sangha,
walking in front Fellows in leading the holly life.
In Respect of the Triple Gems, Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha, in Respect of the Elders of the community
, my person tries to answer this question. Please, may all knowledgeable Venerables and Dhammika, out of compassion, correct my person, if something is not correct and fill also graps, if something is missing.
Valued Upasakas, Upasikas, Aramika(inis),
dear Readers and Visitors,
Nyom
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Antarya means danger, blockade, obstacle.
my person has renamed the original question, so that it fits also for holder of a view "I am a Theravadin".
First of all: it is said by the Liberal, known by the wise, that a person of no integrity (eg. worldling, non-Araiya) is incapable to know of who is a person of integrity.
Secound, what ever Tradition (outwardly) serious practice the Eightfold path for right liberation from suffering, for own and all other welfare, can be called an Ariya-Tradition, will be not different by means and appearing to the Buddhas direct traceable heritage.
Third, by nature of having gained right view, it's impossible for a Noble One to define himself by means of groups, nations, lables aside of such as Noble One by action. Who ever discriminates right and wrong by outwardly manners aside of deeds, reviles not in manner of conduct but by nation, geography, age, race, outwardly family... acts on behave of such, sacrifices in that ways downwardly, such a person has not gained right view. So who ever, not just using it as a synonym for conduct according to the path and aim, defines himself as Theravadin, Zen... German, Russian, Amerikan, acts on behave of this selfdefinition, such person has not gained the stream.
Who ever, having gained the stream, criticizes traditions of worldlings, conduct outside the Eightfold path, aspirations aside of putting an end of suffering for oneself at first place, and so for the benefit of all others, does such rightly.
Who ever criticizes, after having investigated proper, of what is worthy to criticize, right, based on right resolve, such causes heavenly fruits. For doing the opposite, blame the right, praise the wrong, such is the cause of downfall, hell.
And, to think about, there is the case where a person, having gained path in previous life, reapears on places, in societies void of the Gems, the Sangha the Dhamma. He might associate with groups actually not in the Ariya Traditions to the extend of Dana, Sila, Samadhi, but not in regard of panna.
If such a person, independent of a teacher (because a stream enter, Ariya by "by Birth", because of his past deeds) might come in contact with the Liberated Ones tradition, good Dhamma, peoples of integrity, he/she would suddenly leave his outward bounds in not noble relations.
As for those many householder, worldly conducts and traditions, traders of Juwels, parents and unrightouse grasped heritage of the Buddha, who desire, whether in robes of not, for staying in Samsara, engage in various ways unskilled, do not know of what is first and what comes after, and think in manners of equality and rights, this worthless beings are of cause found in all Mohayanas, all pabbajito reviler traditions, householder traditions, with householders as their leaders, with no respect of Samanas, this people, headed by devadatta, by Mara, or by Baka, are also found in certain Mohanikaya Traditions, the groups of the foolish mass.
Those who do not know of what Elders means, have not abound discrimination of worldling, those lost Brahmans, althought dealing with the heritage of the Noble Ones, are lost equal Mohayanas.
And what does Mahayana means in the tradition of the Noble Ones? Having gained "Buddhanature" a person of integrity is bound to practice the Ariya Path for the right ending of Stress, and gains within max 7 further existences highest liberation.
Such person really does neither seek or praise those calling them selfes Vajrayanas, those cheating householders with no virtue, no conduct and leading the mass to downfall.
It's by nature, that a Boddhisatta never comes in touch with the eightfold path, the aim, the three Gems on the surface of jnowing and seeing.
That is why one should not associate with householders (eg. those holding to the six sense at least) and those of not respect for outwardly, not to speak inwardly Went-forth.
Coming in touch, with the Noble Ones, being a child of the other family, one has no doubt and feels suddenly reminded.
And since some householder and pets devoted told that just Jhana is a critera of the Noble ones, such is not right. Even Devadatta gained certsin Jhanas, even certain Zen, Forest... what ever leades and masters, gained and teach such, yet still often very missleading subjects, heading people into spheres where Dhamma can be not gained for a long, long time. By ending of dependend bliss, they fall into the hell.
So this is why the elders do not teach Jhana to those not aware of right view, to householders, to those rejecting right view even on a pre-path level: reviler of what is right, praiser of what is wrong, but would again and again teach right view to householder those not having gone forth, eighter lay or in robes. For it's his gift for purification of ones mind.
"And how is one made pure in three ways by mental action? There is the case where a certain person is not covetous. He does not covet the belongings of others, thinking, 'O, that what belongs to others would be mine!' He bears no ill will and is not corrupt in the resolves of his heart. [He thinks,] 'May these beings be free from animosity, free from oppression, free from trouble, and may they look after themselves with ease!' He has right view and is not warped in the way he sees things: 'There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are brahmans & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is how one is made pure in three ways by mental action.
If certain doubt arises, may one feel encouraged to ask further and in detail.
18. Wrong practice of buddha-dhamma
The Buddha, here representing the true teaching, is being attacked by three monks and one laymen. The fact that there is only one layman attacking the teachings indicates that many monks, once having been ordained in the order, continue to follow false path and are attached to ceremony. They are indifferent to the true teachings and prefer the Wheel of Wandering-on to Nibbāna.
(Monks, as they are more conspicuous than layman and because they are supposed to be devoting their lives to the Three Gems, and because it is known that they have many precepts to keep pure, can attack the Dhamma by misconduct in a more violent way than is possible for laypeople)
(Note that this Dhamma is said to be contributedby one of the most worthless "monks", a slave-leader, Buddhadassa! to understand the Dangers, Antarya. Yet this it-self if Dhamma and the meanig understood even if contributed to known revilers and Dhamma-Danger praiser)
May Vandami become soon a daily practice for many, may no one falls in associatiin with fools now not secure.
It's by an Element that being gather together, "are" bond to each other.
Anumodana! May all being be able to rejoice with good deeds done.
May person will now leave the Dhamma-womb and go for alms.
