Posted by: Ningsopida
« on: December 17, 2018, 03:28:28 PM »It is really good. I have come to read the content and get a good knowledge.
Another day, another possibility. We don't know what tomorrow might be. _()_
Ein neuer Tag, wieder eine Möglichkeit. Wir wissen nicht was morgen sein wird. _()_
ថ្ងៃ ថ្មី មួូយ ជា ឳកាស ថ្មី មួយ ទៀត។ យើង មិន អាច ដឹង មុន នូវ អ្វី ដែល នឹង កើតឡើង ថ្ងៃ ស្អែក
"Dhammo have rakkhati dammacāriṁ"
"N'atthi santi param sukham"
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
(Mv.VI.1.1) [25] Now at that time the Buddha, the Blessed One, was staying at Sāvatthī, in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s Monastery. And at that time, the bhikkhus, afflicted by the autumn disease, would throwup the conjey they had drunk and the meals they had eaten. Because of this they were thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins. The Blessed One saw them — thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins — and on seeing them, addressed Ven. Ānanda,
“Ānanda, why are the monks, at this time, thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins?”
“Lord, at this time the monks, afflicted by the autumn disease, throw up the conjey they have drunk and the meals they have eaten. Because of this they are thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins.”
(Mv.VI.1.2) Then, as the Blessed One was alone in seclusion, this train of thought arose in his awareness:
“At this time the monks, afflicted by the autumn disease, throw up the conjey they have drunk and the meals they have eaten. Because of this they are thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins.
“What if I were to allow medicine for them that would be both medicine and agreed to be medicine by the world, and fulfill the purpose of food, yet would not be considered substantial food.”
Then the thought occurred to him: “There are these five tonics — ghee, fresh butter, oil, honey, sugar/molasses — that are both medicine and agreed to be medicine by the world, and fulfill the purpose of food, yet would not be considered substantial food.
“What if I were now to allow the monks, having accepted them at the right time (from dawnrise to noon), to consume them at the right time?”
(Mv.VI.1.3) Then, when it was evening, the Blessed One rose from seclusion and, having given a Dhamma talk with regard to this cause, to this incident, addressed the monks:
“Just now, monks, as I was alone in seclusion, this train of thought arose in my awareness:
“‘At this time the monks, afflicted by the autumn disease, throw up the conjey they have drunk and the meals they have eaten. Because of this they are thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins.
“‘What if I were to allow medicine for them that would be both medicine and agreed to be medicine by the world, and fulfill the purpose of food, yet would not be considered substantial food.’
“Then this thought occurred to me: ‘There are these five tonics — ghee, fresh butter, oil, honey, sugar/molasses — that are both medicine and agreed to be medicine by the world, and fulfill the purpose of food yet would not be considered substantial food.
“‘What if I were now to allow the monks, having accepted them at the right time (from dawnrise to noon), to consume them at the right time?’
“Monks, I allow that the five tonics, having been accepted at the right time, be consumed at the right time.”
(Mv.VI.1.4) [26] Now at that time monks, having accepted the five tonics at the right time, consumed them at the right time. (Because of this) they could not stomach even ordinary coarse foods, much less rich, greasy ones. As a result, afflicted both by the autumn disease and this loss of appetite for meals, they became even more thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins. The Blessed One saw them — even more thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins — and on seeing them, addressed Ven. Ānanda,
“Ānanda, why are the monks now even more thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins?”
(Mv.VI.1.5) “At this time, the monks, having accepted the five tonics at the right time, consume them at the right time.
“Because of this they can’t stomach even ordinary coarse foods, much less rich, greasy ones.
“As a result, afflicted both by the autumn disease and this loss of appetite for meals, they are even more thin, wretched, unattractive, pale, their bodies covered with veins.”
Then the Blessed One, having given a Dhamma talk with regard to this cause, to this incident, addressed the monks:
“Monks, I allow that the five tonics, having been accepted, be consumed at the right time or the wrong time.”
(Mv.VI.2.1) [27] Now at that time the sick monks needed tallow-medicine. They reported the matter to the Blessed One.
“Monks, I allow that tallow-medicine — i.e., tallow from bears, tallow from fish, tallow from alligators, tallow from pigs, tallow from donkeys — be consumed as oil if received in the right time, rendered in the right time, and filtered in the right time.[2]
(Mv.VI.2.2) “Monks, if one should consume what is received in the wrong time, rendered in the wrong time, and filtered in the wrong time: three offenses of wrong-doing.
“Monks, if one should consume what is received in the right time, rendered in the wrong time, and filtered in the wrong time: two offenses of wrong-doing.
“Monks, if one should consume what is received in the right time, rendered in the right time, and filtered in the wrong time: an offense of wrong-doing.
“Monks, if one should consume what is received in the right time, rendered in the right time, and filtered in the right time: no offense.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
(១៦០. បញ្ចភេសជ្ជកថា)
[៧៣] សម័យនោះ ព្រះពុទ្ធដ៏មានព្រះភាគ គង់នៅវត្តជេតពនរបស់អនាថបិណ្ឌិកសេដ្ឋី ទៀបក្រុងសាវត្ថី។ គ្រានោះឯង ពួកភិក្ខុកើតអាពាធ (ប្រមាត់) ក្នុងសរទកាល33) បបរដែលហុតទៅ ក៏ចង្អោរចេញមកវិញ បាយដែលឆាន់ទៅ ក៏ចង្អោរចេញមកវិញ។ ព្រោះហេតុនោះ ពួកភិក្ខុទាំងនោះក៏មានខ្លួនស្គាំងស្គមសៅហ្មង មានសម្បុរអាក្រក់ កើតជារោគលឿង ស្លេកស្លាំង មានខ្លួនរវាមដោយសរសៃ។ ព្រះដ៏មានព្រះភាគបានទតឃើញភិក្ខុទាំងនោះស្គាំងស្គម សៅហ្មង មានសម្បុរអាក្រក់ កើតជារោគលឿង ស្លេកស្លាំង មានខ្លួនរវាមដោយសរសៃ លុះទតឃើញហើយ ក៏ត្រាស់ហៅព្រះអានន្ទដ៏មានអាយុមកថា ម្នាលអានន្ទ ក្នុងពេលនេះ ហេតុដូចម្តេចបានជាពួកភិក្ខុស្គាំងស្គម សៅហ្មង មានសម្បុរអាក្រក់ កើតជារោគលឿង ស្លេកស្លាំង មានខ្លួនរវាមដោយសរសៃ។ ព្រះអានន្ទក្រាបទូលថា បពិត្រព្រះអង្គដ៏ចំរើន ឥឡូវនេះ ពួកភិក្ខុកើតអាពាធ (ប្រមាត់) ក្នុងសរទកាល បបរដែលហុតទៅ ក៏ចង្អោរចេញមកវិញ បាយដែលឆាន់ទៅ ក៏ចង្អោរចេញមកវិញ ព្រោះអាពាធនោះ បានជាភិក្ខុទាំងនោះស្គំាងស្គម សៅហ្មង មានសម្បុរអាក្រក់ កើតជារោគលឿង ស្លេកស្លាំង មានខ្លួនរវាមដោយសរសៃ។ គ្រានោះ ព្រះមានព្រះភាគ ទ្រង់គង់សម្ងំនៅក្នុងទីស្ងាត់ ក៏មានព្រះហឫទ័យត្រិះរិះដូច្នេះថា ឥឡូវនេះ ពួកភិក្ខុកើតអាពាធ (ប្រមាត់) ក្នុងសរទកាល បបរដែលហុតទៅ ក៏ចង្អោរចេញមកវិញ បាយដែលឆាន់ទៅ ក៏ចង្អោរចេញមកវិញ ព្រោះអាពាធនោះហើយ បានជាភិក្ខុទាំងនោះ ទៅជាស្គាំងស្គម សៅហ្មង មានសម្បុរអាក្រក់ កើតជារោគលឿង ស្លេកស្លាំង មានខ្លួនរវាមដោយសរសៃ (ឥឡូវ) វត្ថុដែលជាភេសជ្ជៈក៏មាន វត្ថុដែលគេសន្មតថាជាភេសជ្ជៈក៏មាន វត្ថុដែលផ្សាយទៅសម្រាប់ជាអាហាររបស់មនុស្សលោក ក៏មាន វត្ថុដែលជាអាហារមិនបានគ្រោតគ្រាត ក៏មាន តើគួរតថាគតអនុញ្ញាតវត្ថុដូចម្តេច ទើបសមគួរជាភេសជ្ជៈដល់ភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយហ្ន៎។ លំដាប់នោះ ព្រះមានព្រះភាគ ទ្រង់ត្រិះរិះដូច្នេះថា ភេសជ្ជៈទាំង៥នេះគឺ ទឹកដោះរាវ១ ទឹកដោះខាប់១ ប្រេង១ ទឹកឃ្មុំ១ ស្ករអំពៅ១ វត្ថុទាំងនេះ ជាភេសជ្ជៈផង ដែលគេសន្មតថាជាភេសជ្ជៈផង ផ្សាយទៅសម្រាប់ជាអាហាររបស់មនុស្សលោកផង ជាអាហារមិនបានគ្រោតគ្រាតផង បើដូច្នោះ មានតែតថាគតអនុញ្ញាតភេសជ្ជៈទាំង៥នេះដល់ពួកភិក្ខុ ដើម្បីឲ្យភិក្ខុទទួលក្នុងកាលគួរ ឆាន់ក្នុងកាលគួរ34) បាន។ ព្រោះនិទាននេះ ដំណើរនេះ ទើបព្រះមានព្រះភាគ ទ្រង់ចេញអំពីទីសម្ងំ ក្នុងទីស្ងាត់ នៅវេលាសាយណ្ហសម័យ ហើយទ្រង់ធ្វើធម្មីកថា រួចត្រាស់ហៅភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយមកថា ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ ក្នុងវេលានេះ តថាគតសម្ងំនៅក្នុងទីស្ងាត់ មានចិត្តត្រិះរិះដូច្នេះថា ឥឡូវនេះ ពួកភិក្ខុកើតអាពាធ (ប្រមាត់) ក្នុងសរទកាលហើយ បបរដែលហុតទៅ ក៏ចង្អោរចេញមកវិញ បាយដែលឆាន់ទៅ ក៏ចង្អោរចេញមកវិញ ព្រោះអាពាធនោះ ទើបបានជាភិក្ខុទាំងនោះស្គាំងស្គម សៅហ្មង មានសម្បុរអាក្រក់ កើតជារោគលឿង ស្លេកស្លាំង មានខ្លួនរវាមដោយសរសៃ វត្ថុខ្លះជាភេសជ្ជៈ វត្ថុខ្លះដែលគេសន្មតថាជាភេសជ្ជៈ វត្ថុខ្លះផ្សាយទៅសម្រាប់ជាអាហាររបស់មនុស្សលោក វត្ថុខ្លះជាអាហារមិនបានគ្រោតគ្រាត តើគួរតថាគតអនុញ្ញាតវត្ថុដូចម្តេច ទើបសមគួរជាភេសជ្ជៈដល់ភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយហ្ន៎ ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ តថាគតឯង មានសេចក្តីត្រិះរិះដូច្នេះថា ភេសជ្ជៈទាំង៥នេះគឺ ទឹកដោះរាវ១ ទឹកដោះខាប់១ ប្រេង១ ទឹកឃ្មុំ១ ស្ករអំពៅ១ របស់ទាំងនេះ ជាភេសជ្ជៈផង ដែលគេសន្មតថាជាភេសជ្ជៈផង ផ្សាយទៅសម្រាប់ជាអាហាររបស់មនុស្សលោកផង ជាអាហារមិនបានគ្រោតគ្រាតផង បើដូច្នោះ មានតែតថាគតអនុញ្ញាតភេសជ្ជៈទាំង៥នេះ ដល់ភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ ដើម្បីឲ្យភិក្ខុទទួលក្នុងកាលគួរ បរិភោគក្នុងកាលគួរ។ ម្នាលភិក្ខុទាំងឡាយ តថាគតអនុញ្ញាតឲ្យភិក្ខុទទួលភេសជ្ជៈទាំង៥នោះ ក្នុងកាលគួរ បរិភោគក្នុងកាលគួរ។
Never the less as you can see things have been getting better. I can get a can of organic soup and a nonGMO health bar from The North Shore Pharmacy courtesy of the owner. I also have a new connection with the local Health Food store, but have not successfully tried it yet. If that works, I will be on the road to independence. Luckily my long time friend who lives on Aalona street prepares extra food for me as needed. Today I had some oats and a salad from him. It was not just a small salad either. It was a whole bowl to feed a family of five.
If I really need it, I have a Subway sandwich ticket waiting for me at the local Subway shop. I usually take one every two or three weeks when my friend is not available to give me oats and salads. They know me at the Subway shop and the ticket for a vegi-patty Sub is now waiting for me to claim it. The subs will soon be replaced by the generosity of the owners from the local health food store if communication is correct.
So I do get fed, and yes, sometimes quite well, but not from alms alone. It is not so easy though.
Everything I say is in the BMC. What is not in the BMC, the the reason why it is not followed by "other" traditions.
Everything mentioned is public knowledge and I double checked with another monk who is well informed of the Thai Forest Traditions..
There are no names mentioned but it is the way of the tradition.
WKS used to have cheese. They stopped that once they learned that other traditions don't accept that. They researched it and they stopped. They are a righteous tradition which I have lots of respect for.
There is no purpose to criticize the monks. If there is criticism on this forum it is from the users commenting on this article.. I said in the beginning that it is small stuff and the monasteries that are mentioned who live up to their tradition's reputation, are good monks and good monasteries. That is said in the beginning.
The purpose of this is to let people know who want to ordain and decide what is the best monastery for them.
So following master Subhutis word: On the matter of chees "our" monastery lures canditates and doners away to them. Well, shell one prosper with people deciding the path for liberation on such matters, chocolate and chess...
And as drive we insult some Theras of having wrong view... whole Nikayas, putting oil and flames together. And when small-minded of other branches get that known, well, then have "fun" with what you seeked for. It tops even the "color of bolws" blog... Master would do good to start to learn about highered virtue, mind and liberation. Run-a-mill virtue is not suficent for such.
Don't think others do not know the "smarties"-gangs.
To cite resources, one time to using for ones arguments, on time to put it down, also such is very common inside the affliction based on an element.
The way, the kind, the base, the intention... not a single sign for skillfulness but the opposite and who honest things are done, one just needs to remember how master started hus Ajahn Mun researches "not for critic... just courious... does one have resources?"
It's not good, totally not good, to dwell alone and play "lay-mans-hero" who possible fall after suggsetions and think in ways of "I have a right".
Samana Johann3 ,
Few people know about Cambodia as a place where foreigners can live or ordain. What is you monastery name and location. Do they use money?
Perhaps you can fill out the table with the topics included according to such a monastery you live in.
You should be open about it. It is not a problem for them and they don't keep it secret. In fact, they want people to know this so people can offer Cheese, Cigarettes, betel etc. Many monasteries are happy and train the lay people to give money to monks. They are open about it because they get all of these things from the lay people.
Let us know the name location and what they do. However, if they use money, I'm not interested in knowing. It is not an allowable place to live in because if they "buy" a floor or paint with money that monks have touched, then the whole building is not allowable.
If one feel in terms of foreigner or matches issues as such, having left home behind and seeks for ordination within the Sangha, then ones setting or Nissaya has still large graps. Likewise when one ordains in a certain Nikaya, Branch or what ever rather then asking for going forth under the Buddha, Dhamma , Sangha... not to speak about monastery attachments...
Sad enought that you internet monks seek householders to bring up issues, non of yo heros has the courage to live at first on what is personally given nor would any of you heros ever use the Sanghas tools and given places for things. Like calves attached on the breast of cow...
May person would wonder of how Masters home-monasteries elders, and preceptor would react it getting the stuff around transated their offspring produces...
Master Subuthi has already been invited (another time here )to live a life without out householder signs and since there might be shipps to cross the ozean, and wise people who might invite to use a co-travel, there will be no hindrence, like to come the hawaii.... Don't do the smart guys poker, it could be more painful as able to imagen. Master has no idea of what it means to live really on what is given. The invitation is still intact since there are less places open to live the holly live and even lesser who could without social-nets and certain "Gita"s... use.
As for the places for training, there are some, but it's hard to doubt that a normal western with less Upanissaya is able to bear certain actually already more luxury conditions, not to speak about the less and very remoted monasteries.
A list of some monasteries can be found here: some with this useless preoccupation sturgles, some with others. And, as far as known, as far as seen or heard, my person did not met a single person able to keep 10 precepts, no matter, west or east, sadly. Great if trying to train, great if trying to match five.
And one should be aware that it's possible no more able to find such as a full funcioning Savaka-Sangha anywhere, but of course he and there are single, manybe two most Ven. fund who would suite as precepter or teacher. Also this is a atter of Upanissaya for the individuall. It's totally useless and foolish to thing it's possible to "google" perfection: it requires having given the proper causes to gain effects. So it's total foolish to lure uninstracted people with such suggestions, taking even run-a-mill issues. Within the no-chocolate, chees, tobacco traditions, even addvertising it, if not other ways of doing, this at least has already shoot them off by Sg. 13. like the most modern "we are meditator not even drink tee Noble ones"-traditions. And how and where would they ever get ride of this fault? Master?
Again, if searching for "Smarties" and there day in and day out philosophical investigations, who are not able to train in highered virtues, there are enought to be found also many "bad" guys as food for them.
The sad thing, especially with this neither sekha nor asekha monks all around is, that they hardly would care about there new family but serving householders, that is really sad. Yet of course, like they broadly had corrupted families, they hardly ever find ways out again... Just for the case some likes to make merits or one or another of you Ven. "Yupy"-monks feels obligated for his kind and his focus of service obligation.QuoteMANGE
The Buddha said, “Monks, did you see the jackal running around here in the evening? Did you see him? Standing still it suffered. Running around it suffered. Sitting down it suffered. Lying down it suffered. Going into the hollow of a tree, it suffered. Going into a cave, it felt ill at ease. It suffered because it thought, 'Standing here isn't good. Sitting isn't good. Lying down isn't good. This bush isn't good. This tree hollow isn't good. This cave isn't good.' So it kept running all the time. Actually, that jackal has mange. Its discomfort doesn't come from the bush or the tree hollow or the cave, from sitting, standing, or lying down. It comes from the mange.”
You monks are the same. Your discomfort comes from your wrong views. You hold onto ideas that are poisonous and so you're tormented. You don't exert restraint over your senses, so you blame other things. You don't know what's going on inside you. When you stay here at Wat Nong Pah Pong, you suffer. You go to America and suffer. You go to London and suffer. You go to Wat Bung Wai and suffer. You go to every branch monastery and suffer. Wherever you go, you suffer. This comes from the wrong views that still lie within you. Your views are wrong and you hold onto ideas that are poisonous in your hearts. Wherever you go you suffer. You're like that jackal.
Once you recover from your mange, though, you can be at ease wherever you go: at ease out in the open, at ease in the wild. I think about this often and keep teaching it to you because this point of Dhamma is very useful.
As long as the strong wave of wrong views and demanding Western/moderns are very very less in Cambodia it will remain a land of where Khmer (Khema) might dwell. So just if willing to let go and prepared for a battle hard to win. Otherwise use google or ask social-monks of what might be the best monastery, they might give you the "I/we have a right" deal offer. Here a topic of someone having appeared like a twin of master: What is the best monastery to ordain ?
New article: Compares special allowances by tradition. The BMC is based on the Thai Tradition. I include Dhammayut and the Ajahn Chah (Wat Pah Pong) tradition. I also include Wat Khao Sanamachai and Pa-Auk which follow the commentaries and abhidhamma meticulously. Na-Uyana is also similar too. I give a discussion on smoking, betel, cheese, chocolate, soy milk, abhidhamma/commentaries, robe color, eyebrows, and patimokkha admission policies.
see this link here.
https://americanmonk.org/vinaya-compari ... llowances/