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Open monastery, laity practice area- [Öffentliches Kloster, Laienpraxisbereich] (vata assama) => Admirable friend - [Großartiger Freund] kalyanamittata => Topic started by: Dhammañāṇa on May 20, 2019, 07:14:29 PM

Title: A person desiring socializing, identify with a group, beyound sakkāya-diṭṭhi?
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on May 20, 2019, 07:14:29 PM
What does Guest and all others, coming across here, think?

Is someone, who desires after group identification, after socializing, somehow off of the Brahmacariya, to be expected being beyound the low fetter of sakkāyadiṭṭhi?

Someone thinking in manners "my group", "not my group, kind", can he be expected to be a possible admirable friend, a good teacher?

If having the chance to either enjoy to be part of a community and "treated with candies" of approve for conceit, or to chose situations where such can be not so expected but much space to learn and do merits, which choice would a Noble person, even if "just" a Sotapanna make?

Or different asked, would he/she still seek after association with common people beyond the most needed to fulfill duties of certain relations still "caught" in?
Title: Re: A person desiring socializing, identify with a group, beyound sakkāya-diṭṭhi?
Post by: អរិយវង្ស on May 20, 2019, 08:37:42 PM
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Title: Re: A person desiring socializing, identify with a group, beyound sakkāya-diṭṭhi?
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on November 24, 2019, 03:14:38 PM
For one beyound sakkāyadiṭṭhi, having gained path, not so for one haven't gained yet, as he should seek strong association with good friends:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

4. Saṇgaṇikārāmasuttaṁ
Attachment to get into contact with another

[007.04] Bhikkhus, a bhikkhu attached to coming into contact with another, a lover of a crowd should take pleasure in seclusion is not a possibility. Not secluded and the mind not delighting in seclusion should seize a sign is not a possibility. When the mind does not take the sign, that the bhikkhu should be complete in right view is not a possibility. Without completing right view, he should be complete in right concentration is not a posibility. Without completing right concentration, that he should dispel bonds is not a possibility. Without dispelling bonds that he should realize extinction is not a possibility.

Bhikkhus, a bhikkhu not attached to coming into contact with another, not a lover of crowds, should take pleasure in seclusion is a possibility. Secluded and the mind delighting in seclusion should seize a sign is a possibility. When the mind seizes the sign, that the bhikkhu should be complete in right view is a possibility. Completing right view, he should be complete in right concentration is a posibility. Completing right concentration, that he should dispel bonds is a possibility. Dispelling bonds that he should realize extinction is a possibility.
Quote from: draft http://accesstoinsight.eu/user/johann/work/uppa/sut/an/06/sut.an.06.v07.uppa later found at http://accesstoinsight.eu/en/tipitaka/sut/an/06/sut.an.06.v07.uppa