Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 03:10:28 PM
Aramika 
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I kana could upload from http://forum.sangham.net/index.php?topic=9620.msg21157#msg21157
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 03:13:39 PM
Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 10:02:30 PM
I kana had done 3pages and stopped upload. May Bhante apologize _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 10:08:04 PM
(They are btw, just thought as a transcription help and temporay)
Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 10:14:00 PM
Because I Kana upload without the permissin.
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Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 10:17:01 PM
Isn't it not common to make picures of books (of Dhammadana) and share them?
Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 10:21:18 PM
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 10:26:15 PM
Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 10:34:50 PM
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 10:38:57 PM
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Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 10:44:26 PM
Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 10:57:05 PM
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 11:12:07 PM
So, and Nyom had just before given pictures to whom, with whom in the mind?
Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 11:27:01 PM
told to rejoice in do merit and follow Dhammyut as well as the proper Dhamma.
Kana was intent given picture to the Sangha.
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Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 11:34:53 PM
Supposed there where a person who had stolen books from a monastery, or put Dhamma under his ownership. Then one day, inspired, would give the Dhamma he had occupied to the Sangha. What does Nyom think, is the action of giving the Dhamma to the Sangha (back) of great merits?
Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 11:47:37 PM
Kana just think of would put the Dhamma book on the Proper time.
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Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 04, 2020, 11:50:51 PM
Post by: Vila on January 04, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 12:22:31 AM
In the case kana parents passed away i kana not know exactly where from or whom..
But surely the Dhamma book was not stolen. Just not sure he bought,
or given by someone.. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 12:38:58 AM
But now again: Supposed there where a person (who ever) who had stolen books from a monastery, or put Dhamma under his ownership before. Then, one day, inspired, would give the Dhamma-books, or rights, he had occupied, (back) to the Sangha. What does Nyom think, is the action of giving the Dhamma to the Sangha (back) of great merits?
Or a similar simile:
Supposed there is a person who kills a chicken for his meal. As he starts to prepare for eating a monk on alms come his way. Inspired, the person gives the chicken he just liked to eat the monk.
What does Nyom think: Is the deed of iving the chicken the monk to eat of great merits?
Audio in khmer
Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 08:46:10 AM
In the action of Someone who had stolen sth or kills.. both are bad Kamma.
Then later he was generous given back the book or chichen for eaten a monk, in every moment
of inspired giving toward the Sangha still cause of the great merit.
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Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 08:50:17 AM
And supposed there is a person who knows good and bad, thinking "I will kill a chicken for the Sangha, the merits gained are by far more then the demeritd", gives that chicken to a monk, thinking he will make much merits.
What does Nyom think, did he make merits?
Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 10:00:23 AM
Depend on intention first, intention for make merit.
If he killed a checken for the Sangha he had bad intention first for make merit(ហេតុ) ,
so the action not became the merit(ផល).
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Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 10:12:06 AM
As for a person calling himself a follower of the Buddha and doing wrong for the Tripple Gems, such is not only grave wrong view but fourfold wrong.
And because it is fourfold wrong: If a monk had seen, heard or thinks that it was based on wrongdoing for a monk, he isn't allowed to receive the gift.
As when it is a person not instructed at all, not knowing the Dhamma, if doing bad for a good, such is called mixed kamma.
Taking (unskillful, unlawful, harmful) to give is always wrong view and not what the Buddha taught, but leads upwardly.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 10:27:21 AM
There is the case where a disciple of the Noble Ones discerns: "The Buddha has declare that taking what is not given is wrong and leads to hell". I too had taken what is not given, and this was not good. So he stops taking of what is not given and resolves no more to do. Right here old kamma ends and no new kamma comes into existence.
There is the case where a person had taken Dhamma which hasn't been given by the owner. He had amassed it and but it under his or other domain. One day he reminds that taking what is not given leads downward. He stops, pardons, gives it back and resolves no more to take Dhamma that isn't given or make improper use. Right here his old kamma ends and no more new comes into existence.
This teachings of the Buddha aren't the doctrine of the Jains. "Papa and Punja have to go with each other.", although a beloved saying, it's the ideas of the Jain.
Sankha Sutta: The Conch Trumpet (http://accesstoinsight.eu/en/tipitaka/sut/sn/sn42/sn42.008.than)
Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 11:19:43 AM
Kana still not understand well...would call that a stolen just took the
Daddy book which he opened for a whole family to read or some could take as personally..
but whatever not sure to do kana would stop the action now.
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Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 11:49:09 AM
If one has gained possession on something, hold something as own, perceives it as own, yet gives it as gift, such is kusala.
If one does not own something, perceives it as somebody else, when taking on it without being given, that is taken what is not given, such is akusala.
And it would be still akusala if thinking "I take what is not given to give".
But yes, and that is why Atma nevertheless talks on. Doing something based on doubt is also akusala.
So again: Nyoms parents have died. They left their things behind for their children. Has Nyom any clear perception that the book was unrightly obtained by her parents. Is the book now Nyoms book? And does she not actually perceive "this has been given by the goodness of the Sangha, has been given by the goodness of my parents"?
Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 12:10:35 PM
Because of not sure (even i kana father known as always rejoice to sharea merit in general not only the Sangha,
People, animal..)
Althought just found he might receive the book from Wat Toul Sophea Khoun.
I kana would stop now.
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Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 12:19:38 PM
I kana Just remind(but still not sure) someday kana Mother gave me this book told
kana should read/remember it first not just only read the tapitaka or
another higher... ( kana left this book on the table, just look at it from last year to read
the metta chanting..
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Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 01:56:45 PM
Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Because of not sure (even i kana father known as always rejoice to sharea merit in general not only the Sangha,
People, animal..)
Althought just found he might receive the book from Wat Toul Sophea Khoun.
I kana would stop now.
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Nyom. If having got Dhamma once by the Sangha, or obtained it, it's given. Now when Nyom sees that the Sangha or it's follower have no copy, have bad copies, need a lot of energy to take it, don't Nyom think that to share it, modify it, so that it is not so harmful, and to engage in it, isn't of great merits?
For example, at Wat Akyum there is only one old copy. Not easy to be ever understood by disciples form outward.
A picture of a page has about 2.000.000B, if text it has about 5.000B. To store, download... requires 400 times more money=burning=life=harm.
Making books, printing books, requires to cut forest, since paper is made from wood and it involves a lot of pollution of water, nobody care here about.
Doesn't Nyom think that engaging to bring pictures into letters is of great support, not to think about easy to search and reproduce?
Isn't it because there had been people who tried to share the Dhamma to those who are ready for it, so that Nyom could ever receive it?
And if there would be no real giver or a matter to buy, would there right view arise?
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 02:08:36 PM
O0 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
I kana Just remind(but still not sure) someday kana Mother gave me this book told
kana should read/remember it first not just only read the tapitaka or
another higher... ( kana left this book on the table, just look at it from last year to read
the metta chanting..
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That was wise, since to receive the Dhamma really, that one can see it right: Generosity, Respect, Confidence and Patient (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/thanissaro/respectconfidencepatient_en.html) is required.
A person who would just consume, would just increase debts by amass and not understand. But one who simply assists faithfully, has no own interest in gain, gains real understanding by its own. My person hasn't learned or read a single page of Dhamma before he hasn't not shared it and after there was no desire and need to ever read it again. All he knows is just by practicing.
Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 05:10:09 PM
Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Because of not sure (even i kana father known as always rejoice to sharea merit in general not only the Sangha,
People, animal..)
Althought just found he might receive the book from Wat Toul Sophea Khoun.
I kana would stop now.
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Nyom. If having got Dhamma once by the Sangha, or obtained it, it's given. Now when Nyom sees that the Sangha or it's follower have no copy, have bad copies, need a lot of energy to take it, don't Nyom think that to share it, modify it, so that it is not so harmful, and to engage in it, isn't of great merits?
For example, at Wat Akyum there is only one old copy. Not easy to be ever understood by disciples form outward.
A picture of a page has about 2.000.000B, if text it has about 5.000B. To store, download... requires 400 times more money=burning=life=harm.
Making books, printing books, requires to cut forest, since paper is made from wood and it involves a lot of pollution of water, nobody care here about.
Doesn't Nyom think that engaging to bring pictures into letters is of great support, not to think about easy to search and reproduce?
Isn't it because there had been people who tried to share the Dhamma to those who are ready for it, so that Nyom could ever receive it?
And if there would be no real giver or a matter to buy, would there right view arise?
Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
There would be great to use picture of the old one
at Wat Akyum. Avoid of doutbt, be free from all suffering later. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on January 05, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Wat Akyum had a new version as well, at the time Atma dwelled there. But the only it was always lost somehwere and Cambodian Monks do not really care about books or maintain them at large but are used to feed Dana of any kind of.
That's the reason of poorness... combined with new dependency on facebook and google, buiding Nissaya to anything else but not the Sangha.
At least, again, the pictures are only required, since my person thinks that final transcripts will not be done and having at least this copy, my person would be able to continue to write also in Khmer, translate passages missing in English and transliterate khmer to roman pali.
No ask or requirement if in doubts anyway, since such isn't inspiring. And no demands at all. It was just to make kusala and akusala more understandable, but often difficult is not so mindful or thinking on such as objective good or bad outwardly.
Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 08:00:28 PM
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Post by: Vila on January 05, 2020, 10:28:18 PM