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Title: If willing to help the child, the "poor" the new, give to it's master, father!
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on February 16, 2018, 07:51:14 AM
Many think, either by normal charity or even by Dhamma-Dana work, that they do a good to serve the "needed" first and so demontage tradition and culture, destro largely on the world.

One might wonder why Dhamma-Books traditional would have been given "back" to monks and monastries, not even keeped at home by lay people, once given. Or why children, if having got something, would give if to father or grandfather when back home, not really touching it before not been given by their dependency.

That is something western and modern thinking has and destroys "unknowingly", sometimes even knowingly to uproot a culture.

Beware that your help is not just destruction for long termes and give aways the elders and those in front of those you like to help fist!

To be found in many indications in the Dhamma-Vinaya as well:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

“If one who was previously a member of another religion comes naked, they should search for a robe out of the preceptor’s funds.[4]

4. Commentary: “They should search for a robe out of the preceptor’s funds.” Putting the preceptor in charge, they should search for a robe for him. And likewise with the bowl. So if the preceptor has a bowl and robes, he should be told, “Give them to him.” But if he doesn’t have them, and someone else wants to give them, he should give them to the preceptor, (saying,) “Make these yours and then give them to him.” Why? Sectarians are generally obstreperous. Saying, “The Saṅgha gave me my bowl and robes. Why should I be dependent on you?” he wouldn’t do as taught and admonished. But if his livelihood lies with the preceptor, he will do what he is told. So it is said, “They should search for a robe out of the preceptor’s funds.”
Quote from: http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/vin/mv/mv01/mv.01.25.khem_en.html#fnt-4

It's again also of less merits and less longtime happiness for one self and many to do merits not directed and in veneration, respect and with leave of the higher and formost, not to speak if making in ways of opposing the Sangha of Savakas or wishing that they fall to loose.

Beware of your deeds, "Robin Hoods", the doner and those approving deeds are suffering from it's cause, so does one if doing well and approve the good receive long terme happiness.

Friends and enemies might chance according to one awarness and are just a matter of what is perceived as conductive for quick joy and nurishing the person, but that worthy of Veneration and service, mother, father, elders, the gods, with the Tripple Gems as formost, know of what the dependent needs although the child does not, yet having not become a father, god, a Noble one him/herself.

There is no other more effective way to cut of ones head in cutting of or working against those who are worthy of receiving gratitude, worthy of service and gifts.

Never be a fool and be sure that once not having become a Noble One your self you are still capable to kill your father, mother, Arahants, harm a Buddha and cause Schism fall into Devadattas ancestor-shipp. So stick to the usually of the elders and trust that you will, as well as others, get the support of the refuge at times, when previous work needed and development has been done, conditions are well.

Till then, do what ever possible by giving, because only this is how you are able to gain, no way if taking, buying... not even joyful knowledge nor happiness in this world and reject gifts bound to the world, gifts from people opposing your preceptor, your gods.

Understand the meaning of what are general rules of nature in any case and any relation-ship

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

“Without having taken the preceptor’s leave, (the student) should not give an alms bowl to anyone, nor should he receive an alms bowl from that person.[36]

“He shouldn’t give robe-cloth to that person or receive robe-cloth from that person.

“He shouldn’t give a requisite to that person or receive a requisite from that person.

“He shouldn’t cut that person’s hair or have (his own) hair cut by that person.

“He shouldn’t perform a service for that person or have that person perform a service (for him).

“He shouldn’t act as that person’s steward or have that person act as (his own) steward.

“He shouldn’t be that person’s attendant or take that person as his own attendant.

“He shouldn’t bring back almsfood for that person or have that person bring back almsfood (for him).

“Without having taken the preceptor’s leave, he shouldn’t enter a village, shouldn’t go to a cemetery, shouldn’t leave for a faraway place.[37]
“If the preceptor is sick, (the student) should tend to him as long as life lasts; he should stay (with him) until he recovers.”[38]
Quote from: http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/vin/mv/mv01/mv.01.15.khem_en.html

One gains nothing if after gain or win and one gets all for his/her longtime benefit if placing ones best fruits toward the virtuoso Ones. Having won a large gathering, thats an "ease" job when just giving everybody what he "needs" but such followings and it's pleasure from it, is of short time and one merits run off having them invested into the insecure, that directed and for the world.

It will be not sufficient enough to have "just" impure and worshipping of own as a object for recollection to reach even low Jhanas, if that would be, all "Heros" of the past, from Ghandi to Hitler, would be now in heaven or even would have gained path and fruit.

Certainly right liberation does not come from wrong resolve, wrong virtue, wrong effort... but leads merely into the bondage of Mara and the World.

Take that what is formost and able to serve as object (http://www.zugangzureinsicht.org/html/index-subject_en.html#recollections) for it as joy ārammaṇa, place or space for your mind and deeds to dwell and work in it.

Throw away foolish postmodern, unreal socialistic, communistic ways of thinking, and don't waste time in working for one and another Kolkhoz (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz), at least just after own profit and productivity, may it look how ever charitable but not simply serving the higher and better.
Title: Re: If willing to help the child, the "poor" the new, give to it's master, father!
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on February 16, 2018, 02:13:43 PM
Just found the Jataka again "I had a pupil once (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html//tipitaka/kn/j/j05/j243_en.html)", which is a good lesson for many out there today at this times in this relation.