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Title: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 08:05:08 AM

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

True praise- is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
True building- is the building up of one's own mind.
True giving- is the giving of alms and merits.
True winning- is the winning of the (fear of) the next world.
Quote from: Lo-wada Sangarava
A Sinhalese poem of the 15th century
by
Venerable Vidagama Maitreya Mahathera
Translated by: Bhikkhu K. Nanananda
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 05, 2018, 08:10:16 AM
Is this correct, Deva gus , so that it is praiseworthy and show it under the Noble Ones Domain?
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 05, 2018, 08:14:10 AM

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Avannaraha Sutta:

"One possessing four qualities is deposited in hell as if brought there. What four? (1) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one speaks praise of one [better: what !] who [/that] deserves dispraise. (2) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one speaks dispraise of one who deserves praise. (3) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one believes a matter that merits suspicion. (4) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one is suspicious about a matter that merits belief. Possessing these four qualities one is deposited in hell as if brought there.

"One possessing four [other] qualities is deposited in heaven as if brought there. What four? (1) Having investigated and scrutinized, one speaks dispraise of one who deserves dispraise. (2) Having investigated and scrutinized, one speaks praise of one who deserves praise. (3) Having investigated and scrutinized, one is suspicious about a matter that merits suspicion. (4) Having investigated and scrutinized, one believes a matter that merits belief. Possessing these four qualities one is deposited in heaven as if brought there."
Quote from: http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.083.bodh_en.html

Addition: The object is a person here (chosen by the translator), but it is better to object deeds: by body, speech and if able to trace, mind as well.
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 05, 2018, 08:38:56 AM
True praise-
is to put real Buddha-goodness received into action

True building-
is to secure ones connection/path to liberation.

True giving-
is to abound all of what is not ones own, a burden, and uphold what is true.

True winning-
is having done the task, nothing further for (any) world. Released.
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 09:23:52 AM
Okasa vandami bhante, here is my opinion.

True praise-
is to put real Buddha-goodness received into action

This is 'true action', not 'true praise'. Praise means praise in general sense. The praise of Dhamma and Sangha also  indirectly included in the 'praise of the qualities of the buddha'.

True building-
is to secure ones connection/path to liberation.

This is same as the verse and no difference if we think carefully.

True giving-
is to abound all of what is not ones own, a burden, and uphold what is true.

What you meant was 'giving up', not 'giving'. Giving means giving/offering in general sense.

True winning-
is having done the task, nothing further for (any) world. Released.
This is same as the verse and no any difference.

Vandami.

/me I think bhante is believing in what he himself has opposed a little while ago (eg: 'bad perosn never be good .' verse) and is trying to disprove everything I say.  :)
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 05, 2018, 10:09:32 AM
Your opinions..., yes Deva gus .

Familar to the Vinaya, the commentaries: Which value have own opinions, of what value are they.

How trustworthy in sources to relay on, are own opinions, own ideas?
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 11:31:01 AM
Okay okay okay,
Khamatu me bhante,
Vandami.
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 05, 2018, 11:41:55 AM
Approving by speech, if actually not approving, is cheating, possible a deliberated lie.

Asking for forgiviness not seeing a transgression as well.

Bowing down to what might be worthy to do, yet not following what it advices, is putting excrement on the head of the Buddha and leading others to follow such ways, if actually holding ones stand.

Only householder give to trade, only housholder accept gifts for a trade.

Is it proper for a wanderer, living on alms from the land, to bow down for a trade, confused wanderer gus ?
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 11:47:08 AM
Okay okay okay,
Khamatu me bhante,
Vandami.
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 05, 2018, 12:11:17 PM
/me : "okay" toward an object of respect is very impolite, is the speech of the lanes, gangs and fish-marked, homies and uninstructed childs: total ignorant, just to inform.

One who really praises and respects does what is proper to do. A child in a school may bow down, say yes, beg for pardon... 1.000 times, but will not learn anything, even the corrupt teacher, happy aboutbeing given favor, let it join the next higher level.

Bowing down to the "Buddha" does not help anything as long not having left home or started the task in advances, having seen, is based on defilements and woreshipping Mara in most cases.
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 12:25:22 PM
Okasa,

/me : "okay" toward an object of respect is very impolite, is the speech of the lanes, gangs and fish-marked, homies and uninstructed childs: total ignorant, just to inform.

Actually I didn't know that because I'm new to English language.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante !

One who really praises and respects does what is proper to do. A child in a school may bow down, say yes, beg for pardon... 1.000 times, but will not learn anything, even the corrupt teacher, happy about being given favor, let it join the next higher level.

I'll try to do as much as possible.


Vandami.
Title: Re: The praise is the praise of the qualities of the Buddha.
Post by: Dhammañāṇa on October 07, 2018, 09:16:43 PM

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

“If a monk or a nun, a devout man or a devout woman, lives in accordance with the Dhamma, is correct in his life, walks in conformity with the Dhamma — it is he who rightly honors, reverences, venerates, holds sacred and reveres the Perfect One (tathagata) with the worthiest homage.”
Quote from: Maha Parinibbāna Sutta

About devotion in a broader spectrum, this might be of use, to do not fall into certain bias: Devotion in Buddhism and Respect, Confidence and Patient (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/thanissaro/respectconfidencepatient_en.html)