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2019 Dec 15 16:59:32
Johann: Sadhu, sadhu

2019 Dec 15 16:32:39
Moritz: May Bhante be able to regenerate strength of body. _/\_

2019 Dec 15 16:32:12
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 14 14:09:47
Johann: Sokh chomreoun

2019 Dec 14 13:53:34
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_ (My day just ending here now, after night-shift :) )

2019 Dec 14 13:45:25
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Dec 14 12:59:30
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 14 11:44:11
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Dec 14 10:57:23
Moritz: Chom reap sour, bong Villa _/\_

2019 Dec 14 08:57:33
Khemakumara: សទ្ធា saddhā faith

2019 Dec 14 07:04:00
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 14 05:21:41
Moritz: Sadhu _/\_

2019 Dec 14 05:19:58
Khemakumara: May all living be-ings, seen and unseen be free from all dukkha. May it be a path- and fruitful day. 

2019 Dec 14 05:10:41
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Dec 13 10:50:10
Johann: Called, one does not only look after to master, but also to maintain ones address proper, or?

2019 Dec 13 09:48:22
Danilo: Why 'master'?

2019 Dec 13 09:47:44
Danilo: Bhante Johann _/\_

2019 Dec 13 09:46:06
Johann: Master Danilo

2019 Dec 13 09:33:15
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 13 09:27:16
Johann: Nyom

2019 Dec 13 07:56:23
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Master Moritz _/\_

2019 Dec 13 07:17:09
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Dec 13 05:48:07
Johann: Meister Moritz

2019 Dec 13 05:36:56
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 12 04:26:54
Johann: Bhante Kheminda

2019 Dec 11 13:58:31
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Dec 11 12:50:57
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Dec 11 12:10:02
Johann: Mudita

2019 Dec 11 12:06:14
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Kana sent to Pou Chanroth, he replied Bhante also told him at his home this morning  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 11 11:33:06
Johann: "As he is recollecting the Sangha, his mind is calmed, and joy arises; the defilements of his mind are abandoned, just as when clothing is cleansed through the proper technique. "

2019 Dec 11 11:31:42
Johann: Sadhu, Sadhu, recollecting the Sangha

2019 Dec 11 10:32:13
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 11 10:31:19
Cheav Villa: May this should be a path of Uposotha today Cleansing of defilement mind

2019 Dec 11 07:12:00
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 11 06:24:15
Johann: Sadhu

2019 Dec 11 05:12:53
Khemakumara: May it be a path- and fruitful Uposatha

2019 Dec 11 05:11:39
Khemakumara: "And what is the Uposatha of the Noble Ones? It is the cleansing of the defiled mind through the proper technique.

2019 Dec 10 21:14:57
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ I kana thought of Bhante in health condition or battery  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 10 12:01:52
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 10 11:21:08
Cheav Villa: Bhante  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ the landowner would be off the gate way soon? _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 10 11:11:11
Johann: Sokh chomreoun all

2019 Dec 10 11:08:18
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2019 Dec 10 11:08:02
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 10 10:48:07
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Dec 09 23:28:27
Vithou:  _/\_

2019 Dec 07 09:19:49
Chanroth:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 05 09:56:53
Johann: sokh chomreoun, nyom

2019 Dec 05 09:56:09
Moritz: Taking leave. May Bhante dwell in good health _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 05 09:46:00
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Dec 05 09:14:32
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_

2019 Dec 05 08:09:04
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Dec 04 20:16:08
saddhamma:  _/\_Bhante Johann. Wishing you speedy recovery.

2019 Dec 04 07:35:06
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:36:37
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:32:33
Johann: Sadhu

2019 Dec 04 06:31:50
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, Nyom (May welbeing increase)

2019 Dec 04 06:31:50
Moritz: May all spend a good Uposatha _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:31:42
Khemakumara: May all have a path- and fruiful Uposatha

2019 Dec 04 06:31:34
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:31:28
Moritz: Vandami Bhante Khemakumara _/\_

2019 Dec 04 06:08:13
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Dec 04 01:50:53
saddhamma: Āvuso Moritz _/\_

2019 Dec 04 01:15:40
Moritz: Bong Ebo _/\_

2019 Dec 01 13:29:37
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 30 21:38:39
Johann: Nyom

2019 Nov 30 21:30:49
Cheav Villa: May Bhante get well soon _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 30 19:04:39
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante Johann  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante Khemakumara  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 30 17:34:10
Khemakumara: Nyom

2019 Nov 30 16:43:46
Johann: Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 30 06:46:37
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2019 Nov 29 20:24:07
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 29 18:59:11
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Sadhu Sadhu

2019 Nov 29 16:01:17
Johann: Ratana Sutta , and one more public.

2019 Nov 29 14:25:08
Cheav Villa:   _/\_ Yes, eveyone here got flu and almost everywhere..  :-\ :) _/\_

2019 Nov 29 14:19:23
Moritz: Sadhu _/\_ Yes, sickness very much present here as well.  :-\  :)

2019 Nov 29 14:18:08
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Nov 29 14:12:37
Johann: (May all and everyone get soon/quick free fom sickness) Sadhu

2019 Nov 29 14:07:13
Cheav Villa: សូមអោយអ្នកទាំងអស់គ្នាឆាប់ជាពីរោគា គ្រប់ៗគ្នា _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 29 14:05:22
Cheav Villa: សូមអោយព្រះអង្គឆាប់ជាពីជម្ងឺផ្តាសាយ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 29 12:05:41
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2019 Nov 29 11:51:15
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2019 Nov 28 20:08:22
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 28 13:11:37
Johann: Bhante

2019 Nov 28 12:52:24
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2019 Nov 27 23:19:47
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 27 22:59:18
Khemakumara: Nyom

2019 Nov 27 10:20:04
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 27 10:16:58
Khemakumara: May it be a path -and fruitful after-the-Newmoon-uposatha-day

2019 Nov 26 20:55:22
Johann: Meister Moritz

2019 Nov 26 19:35:55
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_

2019 Nov 26 11:50:14
Johann:  _/\_ Bhante Ariyadhammika

2019 Nov 26 10:53:53
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 26 09:24:16
Johann: A blessed and united Newmoon uposatha all touchable and taking on it

2019 Nov 26 08:53:07
Cheav Villa:  :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 26 00:07:54
Johann: Moi, moi, Nyom. Ma dom ma chumheang (Slowly, slowly... step by step) much joy in all good virtuous undertakings.

2019 Nov 25 23:46:46
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_ (many things to do...)

2019 Nov 25 23:28:18
Johann: Meister Moritz

2019 Nov 25 23:04:36
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2019 Nov 24 22:55:28
Johann: Nyom

2019 Nov 24 22:51:00
saddhamma: Bhante Johann _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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Topic Summary

Posted by: Johann
« on: April 01, 2019, 10:11:35 PM »

Sadhu
Posted by: Moritz
« on: April 01, 2019, 09:58:43 PM »

Sadhu, I was just reading the searching code, trying to understand a bit how it works.

Probably the breaking into single characters idea came from Chinese or Japanese, where I think characters usually represent a complete word. Maybe Thai was included by mistake, thinking that all Asian scripts use such logographic "full word" characters.

I think it is best to just remove the Thai block from the "Asian" set and treat it "normally" like Roman etc. The Khmer block (1780–17FF) is not included there either, and search is working well. Most important change needed would be probably to use zero-width spaces as separators.

not sure now how the indexer or better the search engine works with compunctions and so on generally (simply cut them all away?)
* Moritz ("punctuation" - not "compunction" = "Gewissenhaftigkeit", as Bhante Thanissaro translates "otappa")
Punctuation marks are removed during indexing, and the resulting pieces are stored as "words" in the index, along with some reference tables to store which page has how many occurrences of each word.
When searching, first the tables are searched to find all pages which contain all the single words in the search phrase. And then, if the search phrase (or parts of the search phrase) has been put into quotes "", also the whole search phrase (or the quoted parts) is matched to find the exact occurrence in the text, including punctuation marks and so on.
For example, searching for "ist den Drei Juwelen, dem Buddha, dem Dhamma, der Sangha, gewidmet" will find one result on the page http://www.accesstoinsight.eu/km/index now.
* Moritz (Strange: It should also find the same on http://www.accesstoinsight.eu/de/index) but it does not. Seems like the index is somehow incomplete again.
If leaving out one comma or one word, like "ist den Drei Juwelen Buddha, dem Dhamma, der Sangha, gewidmet", still put in quotes, no result would be found, because there is no exact match of the quotation.
However, if searching for the same without quotation marks around, results would be found again, just looking for every word, not for the whole phrase, and ignoring all punctuation.
* Moritz (Strange: Searching in this way also gives http://www.accesstoinsight.eu/de/index as a result, as it should be. But it did not find the match when searching for the whole quoted phrase.)

So it should still be possible then to find exact text passages including punctuation marks, if quoted. Although, as just seen, sometimes the search engine might not work as it should. ^-^

I think I know now how to do the necessary changes to include the Khmer and Thai punctuation marks and zero-white spaces as separators. After adding these separators, the pages would have to be re-indexed again.

I will try to do it later this week. Not today anymore.

_/\_
Posted by: Johann
« on: April 01, 2019, 07:19:51 PM »

17D4 KHMER SIGN KHAN • functions as a full stop, period
(→ 0E2F   thai character paiyannoi
→ 104A   myanmar sign little section)

17D5 KHMER SIGN BARIYOOSAN • indicates the end of a section or a text
(→ 0E5A   thai character angkhankhu
→ 104B   myanmar sign section)

17D6 KHMER SIGN CAMNUC PII KUUH • functions as colon
(• the preferred transliteration is camnoc pii kuuh
→ 00F7 ÷  division sign → 0F14   tibetan mark gter tsheg )

17D7 KHMER SIGN LEK TOO • repetition sign
(→ 0E46   thai character maiyamok )

17D8 KHMER SIGN BEYYAL • et cetera
• use of this character is discouraged; other abbreviations for et cetera also exist • preferred spelling: ។ល។

17D9 KHMER SIGN PHNAEK MUAN • indicates the beginning of a book or a treatise • the preferred transliteration is phnek moan
(→ 0E4F   thai character fongman )

17DA KHMER SIGN KOOMUUT • indicates the end of a book or treatise • this forms a pair with 17D9   • the preferred transliteration is koomoot
(→ 0E5B   thai character khomut )

17DB KHMER CURRENCY SYMBOL RIEL

17E0 KHMER DIGIT ZERO
17E1 KHMER DIGIT ONE
17E2 KHMER DIGIT TWO
17E3 KHMER DIGIT THREE
17E4 KHMER DIGIT FOUR
17E5 KHMER DIGIT FIVE
17E6 KHMER DIGIT SIX
17E7 KHMER DIGIT SEVEN
17E8 KHMER DIGIT EIGHT
17E9 KHMER DIGIT NINE

0E50 THAI DIGIT ZERO
0E51 THAI DIGIT ONE
0E52 THAI DIGIT TWO
0E53 THAI DIGIT THREE
0E54 THAI DIGIT FOUR
0E55 THAI DIGIT FIVE
0E56 THAI DIGIT SIX
0E57 THAI DIGIT SEVEN
0E58 THAI DIGIT EIGHT
0E59 THAI DIGIT NINE

Word breaks are either white spaces or zero width spaces in both scripts, Khmer and Thai.
Posted by: Johann
« on: April 01, 2019, 06:34:00 PM »

Atma has attached the Khmer and Thai Unicode table to possible exclude special characters like stops, computations ... breaking into single characters seems to be meaningless.

Not sure if Upasaka Vorapol may like to assist here for Thai. Atma will try to list special characters in Khmer but not sure now how the indexer or better the search engine works with compunctions and so on generally (simply cut them all away?)
Posted by: Johann
« on: April 01, 2019, 06:17:50 AM »

Sadhu

Atma recognized that the search is less rendered for scripts other then latin. Yet not understanding why separating certain ranges character by character.
Posted by: Moritz
« on: April 01, 2019, 12:23:59 AM »

Quote
May Nyom always give/take himself his time.
_/\_

Indexing finished some time this morning.

Quote
On the other side, on ZzE once and also now on ati.eu, there have been times where the index was obviously complete.)
Obviously (offensichtlich)? Or apparently (offenbar, scheinbar, anscheinend)?

I think maybe the latter, because these errors would never appear in the Searchindex Manager plugin. It would just say "page already up to date" or something, when a page could not be indexed.

After retrying several times to index the files which failed, all files which still could not be indexed are just 474 pages in Thai script (listed below). I think the reason is the way DokuWiki handles some Asian scripts, including Thai, treating every character as a single word, which would take a lot of memory for the indexer. Quote from inc/indexer.php file, line 18 and following:
Code: [Select]
// Asian characters are handled as words. The following regexp defines the
// Unicode-Ranges for Asian characters
// Ranges taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_block
// I'm no language expert. If you think some ranges are wrongly chosen or
// a range is missing, please contact me
define('IDX_ASIAN1','[\x{0E00}-\x{0E7F}]'); // Thai

I have deleted all files in en:s and de:s which were just examples on how to integrate Google Site Search and comments about other search engines tested by Mr. Bullitt for accesstoinsight.org in the past.

List of unindexed Thai script files:
Code: [Select]
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v01_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v02_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v03_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v04_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v05_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v06_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v07_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v08_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v09_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v10_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v11_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v12_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v13_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v14_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v15_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v16_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v17_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v18_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v19_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v20_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v21_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v22_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.jat.v23_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.0_att
cs-th:atthakatha:sut.kn.khp.1_att
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Posted by: Johann
« on: March 30, 2019, 04:07:07 PM »

Sadhu for effort and care. May Nyom always give/take himself his time.

(The "big pages", Atma thinks about 10 %, like the other of the cscd Tipitaka, would not change later on in regard of content. Atma remembers that once there was still a search engine on ZzE, it was also never possible to index all Pali Tipitaka pages of original Ati as well, always having errors.

On the other side, on ZzE once and also now on ati.eu, there have been times where the index was obviously complete.)

Posted by: Moritz
« on: March 30, 2019, 02:48:15 PM »

The indexing script I had started on the server (which should be doing just the same as the CLI indexer script) stopped at some point due to running out of memory (working memory, not storage memory). It seems that certain pages simply cannot be indexed because the indexer would need too much memory for it.
For example http://accesstoinsight.eu/cs-th:tika:sut.dn.0_tik and following pages always fail with
Code: [Select]
Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 67108872 bytes) in /var/www/clients/client2157/web5417/web/inc/indexer.php on line 612
or similar.

Line 612 is here:
Code: [Select]
$wordlist = explode(' ', $text);
splitting the whole text of a page into single words by spaces.

But I really do not understand why this would take so much memory. Also, replicating this same operation on my computer, splitting the same page text with the same methods into single words and storing in a variable in PHP, does not need nearly as much memory here.

Trying to find a way to work around it, I gave up now.

Continued indexing with the other method (which runs locally on my computer and sends a command for every single page to be indexed through the network, and does not stop if a page fails to be indexed), currently indexed until ~11000 pages (with many "holes" of pages which just cannot be indexed with the current server).

Should be finished in some 16 hours maybe if now just let to run. But with the current server infrastructure it seems the search index will always be incomplete.

_/\_
Posted by: Johann
« on: March 29, 2019, 03:44:28 PM »

Sadhu
Posted by: Moritz
« on: March 29, 2019, 02:25:48 PM »

I accidentally restarted rebuilding the index again from scratch. So now, progress is again at about 5000/20000 pages.

I wrote a new script, adapting methods from the CLI script , so that the whole process would run on the server, not needing to have a connection and open browser window all the time to send commands for every single page to be indexed one by one.
This should at least be a little bit faster, without the sending commands and responses back and forth, but the speed difference is not really noticeable. So it should, again, be finished in one day.

The current progress can be seen by opening http://accesstoinsight.eu/indexer.success.log (listing pages that were indexed successfully) and http://accesstoinsight.eu/indexer.error.log (listing pages which could not be indexed for some reason, currently empty).
There is a counting number before each page name in the lists, so one can see how many pages have already been processed.

_/\_
Posted by: Johann
« on: March 28, 2019, 02:51:04 PM »

Sadhu
Posted by: Moritz
« on: March 28, 2019, 02:48:11 PM »

Currently not using search or batchedit, how ever Nyom might think.

(There is a inbuilt search.php, told that it can be executed direct on the server to rebuild the index. Maybe that helps. https://www.dokuwiki.org/cli#indexerphp )

Rebuilding index started.

The helper scripts listed on https://www.dokuwiki.org/cli are only usable if one has shell access on the server. But that is not the case for the Greensta server here. (But still possibly useful to look into and adapt something maybe when having more time for it.) So just using the previous approach now.

_/\_
Posted by: Johann
« on: March 28, 2019, 02:32:56 PM »

Currently not using search or batchedit, how ever Nyom might think.

(There is a inbuilt search.php, told that it can be executed direct on the server to rebuild the index. Maybe that helps. https://www.dokuwiki.org/cli#indexerphp )
Posted by: Moritz
« on: March 28, 2019, 02:22:00 PM »

If it is helpful at this time, I could start the process to rebuild the search index from here, which should be finished after one day.

So, if it is not necessary to search much in the next 24 hours, I would just start to re-index now.

_/\_

*  I think there might be solutions with more professional search engines that would make it less time consuming to keep a search index working and maintained. Maybe I can find a possibility with some time. But that is another topic. _/\_
Posted by: Johann
« on: March 27, 2019, 07:46:51 PM »

Indexing has finished, but a quick search with batchedit gives that not all pages might be included in the search index for now. Lets see.