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2020 Jan 28 13:04:10
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 28 12:31:39
Johann: Atmas "sleeping rock" is always a well protected place. The fire now moving fast east into the village, may it case no harm and destruction for all.

2020 Jan 28 12:12:48
Cheav Villa: May Bhante could find a safe place during this fire time _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 26 12:06:21
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 25 23:25:33
Johann: Nyom Villa

2020 Jan 24 09:58:40
Johann: As thought, incl. the Devas.

2020 Jan 24 08:29:47
Cheav Villa: He kept walking on road num 3 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 24 08:28:40
Cheav Villa: But could not help only giving drinking water. Bhante told his lost in this area 3days ago then he walr

2020 Jan 24 08:24:26
Cheav Villa: with Dad and Srey muk kamao, going to visit His Grand ma Grand pa. Fortunately he met Bhante Khmema kumara on the main road

2020 Jan 24 08:22:10
Cheav Villa: Kana Bhante this morning aroung 7.30 kana son arrived near Psar Tram kna on national road number3

2020 Jan 24 08:20:39
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 24 07:05:21
Johann: A blessed chinese new year, new moon Uposatha those who celebrate it today.

2020 Jan 23 21:53:22
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 23 21:46:43
Johann: Sokh chomreoun

2020 Jan 23 21:25:30
Cheav Villa: Vandami Bhante :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 23 11:48:02
Johann: A blessed and fruitful new moon Uposatha, those observing it today

2020 Jan 22 13:30:29
Johann: May Sukha come to fulfillment, Nyom. It's well for now.

2020 Jan 22 09:39:03
Danilo: did Bhante's health get better?

2020 Jan 22 09:37:11
Danilo: Bhante Johann _/\_

2020 Jan 21 19:20:53
Johann: Meister Moritz

2020 Jan 21 19:01:10
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 21 13:09:02
Johann: Blind like ants are being believing in technic, scients and incapable to trace where and how effects take their cause.

2020 Jan 20 19:30:27
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 19 20:32:04
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2020 Jan 19 20:29:34
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 19 15:01:46
Johann: some moved to topic here

2020 Jan 19 10:20:11
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2020 Jan 19 10:03:16
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 18 08:14:54
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 18 05:57:52
Johann: A blessed and fruitful Sila day

2020 Jan 17 19:19:18
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2020 Jan 17 18:37:01
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2020 Jan 17 18:14:15
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 17 13:39:36
Sophorn: Many greetings to everyone,

2020 Jan 17 13:39:19
Sophorn:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 17 10:29:19
Johann: "so, now I go up and clear the area a little, make some merits, and I will not share my merits, with anybody..."  ^-^

2020 Jan 17 08:49:11
Chanroth: ធ្វើអាស្រមហើយចេញពីរសេចក្ដីល្អ ធ្វើអ្វីដើម្បីខ្លួល្អជាង

2020 Jan 17 08:45:08
Chanroth: សូមលាហើយ

2020 Jan 17 08:33:16
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 17 06:56:27
Johann: A blessed and fruitful Uposatha, those observing it today.

2020 Jan 17 06:45:45
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2020 Jan 17 06:44:49
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 16 23:01:31
Moritz: Mr. Lew _/\_

2020 Jan 15 14:16:00
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 15 11:15:29
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 15 11:12:01
Johann: Nyom

2020 Jan 15 10:24:02
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_

2020 Jan 15 10:21:50
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 15 10:11:56
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 22:22:36
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2020 Jan 12 22:04:02
Moritz: _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:34:30
Cheav Villa: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:31:02
Johann: Sokh chomreoun, may happiness come to fullfillment, all

2020 Jan 12 21:27:15
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_ Visitor _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:26:54
Cheav Villa:  Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:26:06
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:24:21
Moritz: Visitor _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:24:09
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:23:59
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 21:23:50
Johann: Good on working isn't a bad reservation. Sokh chomreoun

2020 Jan 12 21:16:12
Cheav Villa: I kana in working conditions in the ministry  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 12 17:24:45
Johann: How is Nyom Villa doing? Seems as if more reserved

2020 Jan 11 21:30:11
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 11 21:27:10
Johann: On the other side it's just visible for Aramika, so also fine to leave it as it is.

2020 Jan 11 21:18:06
Johann: but possible good to change it, since looking of course strange

2020 Jan 11 21:17:02
Johann: The visitor account, since enail needed, has Atmas email, yes. Nothing wrong, Nyom.

2020 Jan 11 21:10:13
Cheav Villa: Mr. Visitor is using Bhante mail on Sangham ^-^ _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 11 17:28:39
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2020 Jan 11 17:19:29
Johann: Well then. Mudita. And to use old account is also no problem, or a new one.

2020 Jan 11 17:13:25
Visitor:  *sgift* Will return soon. will share one from lot.  :) Stay healthy. Be happy.

2020 Jan 11 17:06:13
Johann: Sure, why not? An also sure that Atma will try what ever possible that Nyom-Deva would take on existance where Dhamma can completely comprehended. My Nyom do as he feels fit and inspired.

2020 Jan 11 17:03:02
Visitor: For I am out of community and practice to be independent too -- decided when couldn't find Gem(liberated one, buddha, venerable).

2020 Jan 11 17:00:13
Visitor: If I share one of those practices, will uncle allow that? Will uncle give way to me to give as a 'Visitor'? Even when it's out of community.

2020 Jan 11 16:57:53
Johann: It's importand to see that liberation is possible, and people having gained independency are met = Savaka Sangha

2020 Jan 11 16:55:26
Johann: It's importand, aside of the deva-messangers, birth, sickness, aging death, to meet the Buddha, Arahat, Samana, so that real Saddha may arise. Books hardly can provide such "it's not just a story"

2020 Jan 11 16:50:04
Visitor: Practice leads to experience -coming slowly-2 me already. Did uncle find any Gems(Ven. Buddha) to associate with?

2020 Jan 11 16:45:42
Johann: Only by practicing and association with the Gems can Dhamma be gained. Consuming 1000 book wouldn't help

2020 Jan 11 16:43:02
Johann: What does one, seeing his decay, keep him from sharing?

2020 Jan 11 16:41:31
Johann: Giving ways to let others give is also a-maccariya

2020 Jan 11 16:39:42
Johann: And books are lasting? Sharing about oldage, sickness and death is teaching the 1 Noble truth very real, or?

2020 Jan 11 16:35:58
Visitor: What does old uncle want to offer when he is also impermanent? Dhamma-it's already in books! Experience-it will come soon to me too.

2020 Jan 11 16:30:29
Johann: If needing something, just let it be known (any language

2020 Jan 11 16:29:50
Johann: Nyom unknown

2020 Jan 11 16:28:47
Visitor:  *thumb* :-\ :( ;-) *gift*

2020 Jan 11 08:13:55
Cheav Villa:  _/\_

2020 Jan 11 08:11:25
Moritz: Oh, I just wanted to write something to you, Bong Villa. But now have to go, driving taxi. ^-^ Later. _/\_ Chom reap leah

2020 Jan 11 08:05:56
Cheav Villa: Master Moritz _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 11 07:46:49
Moritz: Bong Villa _/\_

2020 Jan 10 19:57:45
Johann: Bhante

2020 Jan 10 19:37:57
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_ Bhante

2020 Jan 10 16:11:19
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 10 12:07:13
Johann: Sokh chomreoun Nyom

2020 Jan 10 11:34:53
Moritz: Chom reap leah _/\_

2020 Jan 10 11:08:47
Johann: Nyom Moritz

2020 Jan 10 11:00:22
Moritz: Vandami Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 10 06:05:50
Khemakumara:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 10 05:02:29
Johann: May those keeping the full moon Uposatha today, spend an auspicious time engaged in merits

2020 Jan 09 20:17:28
Cheav Villa:  _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

2020 Jan 09 20:07:28
Moritz: _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

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Topic Summary

Posted by: Johann
« on: September 20, 2019, 12:13:40 PM »

* Johann : Nyom Vinodh , thought he might read some, uses a "stranger' sign for converting , : it's a sanskript-literation l. Much to complicated , till impossible without dictionary request, to convert Khmer and other Asian Languages rightly. Good to limit it to Khmer-Pali script.

The Khmerpali on the other hand is converted into l̤a

Btw. not sure how to handle the apostrophe often used in roman liberation (seemingly giving sign that a vowel is cut off) as such is not in use in Khmer (and monks say, if one is not very skilled in Pali, one is not capable to translate as there are no real hints on conjunctions) Not sure how a rule here could be formulated.

Posted by: Johann
« on: September 19, 2019, 07:07:40 AM »

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Short-long vowel rules, conjunctions " eröffnet, dem angehäng.
One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Short-long vowel rules, conjunctions " or attached there.
Posted by: Johann
« on: September 18, 2019, 06:25:56 PM »

No problem, Bhante, when ever not disturbing.

Burmese language seems even more challenging... not sure if there is a Venerable used to it whom we could ask.
Posted by: Khemakumara
« on: September 18, 2019, 06:05:42 PM »

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Kana, Kana now understands! Kana also think so, but not sure and do not know about the rules. Kana will ask Bhante Indaññāno. At the moment, Bhante gives teaching.
Posted by: Johann
« on: September 18, 2019, 04:07:27 PM »

To raise the question in direct sample

Are there combinations of long vowels with "ṁ/ṃ"  like this (using k just as holder):

ក+ ា + ំ(no?) kāṃ
ក+ ិ + ំ (yes) kiṃ
ក+ ី + ំ (no) kīṃ
ក+ ុ + ំ (yes?) kuṃ
ក+ ូ + ំ (no) kūṃ
អ + ំ(yes?) aṃ
អា + ំ(no?) āṃ
ឥ + ំ(yes?) Iṃ
ឦ + ំ(no?) Īṃ
ឧ + ំ (yes?) Uṃ
ឩ + ំ (no?) Ūṃ
ឯ + ំ(yes?) Eṃ

Kana thinks that a long vowel would always be turned into short if followed by ṃ, but not sure, Bhante Khemakumara .



Posted by: Johann
« on: September 18, 2019, 03:36:56 PM »

No, Bhante Khemakumara . It requires to get into the question. As for the attachments, they are usually attached in Dhamma and Tipitaka, helpful for the other scripts.

If Bhante has time and means, he could add the additional scripts in the second list akkharakrama or better a new list for Burmese akkharakrama, Sinhalese akkharakrama, Thai akkharakrama... not sure if he has the Multilingual keyboard app installed.

Its to see that such as I(a)m and U(a)m possible exist, right?
Posted by: Khemakumara
« on: September 18, 2019, 03:22:12 PM »

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Bhante Johann,

 while Kana was learning (still learning) to read pali-khmer Bhante Indaññāno gave following pictures so someone can figure out the right pronunciations. Does it give some clarification?
Posted by: Cheav Villa
« on: September 18, 2019, 02:25:22 PM »

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Posted by: Johann
« on: September 18, 2019, 01:43:53 PM »

No, not really, Nyom Cheav Villa , as it would be "just" Khmer and not Pali, but Bhante Indaññāno could maybe help.

The question is whether "sra om" would appear in plain Pali also with long vowels such as  ីីī or  ូូ ū (as far as aware no: only with e, u and i, but not sure)

Also any special "law" would be of interest and as he likes mathematics he might had even an idea for a convert pattern.
Not sure whether he has access for now. Maybe Bhante Khemakumara could assist here in investigating the topic.

(Internet is actually empty of Khmer-Knowledge and development, as Zuckerberg, facebook and google, has already overtaken the Kingdom incl. the Sasana, is owned already by external industries.)
Posted by: Cheav Villa
« on: September 18, 2019, 01:34:33 PM »

 _/\_ _/\_  _/\_

Kana Prah Ang, maybe the link below could be of some help.

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

https://cambodiannation.wordpress.com/category/khmer-language/
Posted by: Johann
« on: September 18, 2019, 11:30:20 AM »

Let's see if my person is able to draw down a look up pattern for a letter string roman to Khmer.

First letter "1":
ifthen
a/A
ā/Āអា
i/I
ī/Ī
u/U
...o/O...
k/K
G/g
...ḷ/Ḷ...

next "2" (following sign) would ask whether a consonant or vowel if previous was a consonant

if "1" ក-ឡ and "2" k-ḷadd footer value of "2"  ្+ក-ឡ
if "1" footer value of ក-ឡ and "2" k-ḷadd footer value of "2"  ្+ក-ឡ
if "1" អ-ឱ and "2" k-ḷadd ក-ឡ
if "1" ក-ឡ or footer value, and "2" a-
if "1" ក-ឡ or footer value, and "2" ā,i,ī,u,ū,e,oadd ា  ិិ  ីី  ុុ  ូូ េ ោ
if "1" ក-ឡ or footer value or  ិិ  ុុ ោ[1], and "2" ṃ/ṁ/ŋadd  ំ

This pattern could go on till the end of the string. Independent vowel do only accrue at the beginning and have usually no footer in Pali (when right, Nyom Cheav Villa ?), are standing alone, aside of A () which might, when long Ā have the vowel ā () included: អា.

If a consonant follows another consonant the footer value sign   ្្  is added (transforming the next consonant into a footer).

There might be a more easier pattern, follow the range of signs.

U+1780-179C + 179F-17A1 = consonants

if used as footer: 17D2 added before.

U+17A2 (actually 17A4 would be right, but usually used 17A2+17B6), 17A5-17A7, 17A9, 17AF, 17B1 = independent vowels

U+17B6-17B8, 17BB, 17BC, 17C1, 17C4 = vowels

Nikahit (the mystic "am"/"ang" sign) = 17C6

Maybe good to add the Unicode no. in the akkharakrama (done ✔)

Maybe a pattern that simply replaces at first place and then makes the footer check to add the footer value in between is easier to handle.

There is a traditional exception as well: bb would not be written ព្ព but ព្វ bv, a "bug" in Nyom Vinodh s script (as probably relaying on western sources) but actually a traditional "Sanskrit-baggage" probably.

* Johann : just saw that vowels are displayed double here
 1. not sure if used with ū yet, maybe good to ask Nyom Cheav Villa here, but Atma thinks it's used only with short vowels
Posted by: Johann
« on: September 18, 2019, 07:01:08 AM »

There are of course, althought some special excuses. Atma leaves the Pali alphabet roman and khmer behind meanwhile. May Nyom have a good rest.

http://accesstoinsight.eu/en/dictionary/akkharakrama

Burmese and Sinhalese might be similar. No idea in regard of Thai yet, since a "modern" new script.
Posted by: Moritz
« on: September 18, 2019, 06:53:20 AM »

Simple replacement might not work as dependent on order characters may be footers ... From Asian back might be easier.

As long as there are clear rules, whatever they are, one can tell a computer how to do it, of course.


just a sample:

akka : អក្ក
akaka: អកក

I see. Probably complicated. But maybe still possible to describe by simple rules?

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_


* Moritz is going to sleep now. _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Posted by: Johann
« on: September 18, 2019, 06:46:02 AM »

Atma searches for ways, for the Sangha, to convert pali words in roman script, into others, like khmer, thai... and vici versa.

Simple replacement might not work as dependent on order characters may be footers ... From Asian back might be easier.

just a sample:

akka : អក្ក
akaka: អកក

If there is no vovel inbetween, the next letter would become a footer and single letters in Asian scripts are often 2 or the in roman.

: dha
Posted by: Moritz
« on: September 18, 2019, 06:34:31 AM »

_/\_ Bhante,

If there are clear rules of conversion, simple replacements of characters, I think that would be easy to do for me, in a simple HTML page with JavaScript for example, where one could paste text to convert.
What exactly is needed?