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Title: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Johann on June 28, 2015, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: mikenz66, DW (http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=23989)
Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
June 27, 2015 by Justin Whitaker


   
Quote from: www.patheos.com/blogs/americanbuddhist
Today I am thrilled to join millions across the country in celebration of the Supreme Court’s decision to legalize same-sex marriage across all 50 states. In honor of the decision, along with joining the facebook “Celebrate Pride” campaign with this blog’s facebook profile pic, I thought I would repost one of the blog’s most popular entries. Please enjoy, comment, take pride, etc, and remember that there is still much work to be done.
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    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/americanbuddhist/2015/06/celebrating-same-sex-marriage-in-buddhism.html

Great... So the next step will be marriage under 14 and then marriage with animals... How could a disciple of the Buddha be happy when sensual desire takes on such dimensions and hiri get's lost...

Be sure, that somebody with only a little wisdom, will never celebrate the downfall of this world.
That is actually all you have got by those pseudo liberal monks...
Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2017, 05:28:30 AM
Jewish Rabbi marry a Jew Zen-Monk with a non-jew Zen-Monk...

Jüdischer Rabbi verheiratet jüdische Zen-Mönch mit nich-jüdischem Zen-Mönch...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/fashion/weddings/for-this-couple-its-death-till-they-part.html

Shared by Bhante @Khemindas  on DW. Thay will be a joy for @Sujato Bhikkhu and his followers.

Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Moritz on July 14, 2017, 07:01:13 AM
Namasakara Bhante, _/\_

what do such unusual modern marriage arrangements have at all to do with Buddhism?
I don't see it as anything to worry nor to celebrate.
And why would a monk chime in on it in such a derisive manner? Are such the customs of the noble ones (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/customs.html)?

Your colleague @Paññobhāsa whom you critized here (http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,554.msg12391.html#msg12391) in an unintelligible manner at least has some more nuanced thoughts about these topics, although I don't see why it is important for him or for interested in the Dhamma at all.

Strange... and silly.

Such political monks are those who destroy the Dhamma and right view in Asia, taking on either left or right, for the poor or rich... that is exact not the way.

[... blahblahblah ...]

_/\_

/me The mentioning function does not seem to work, maybe it is because of Pali diacritics in the name... test: Administration test: @Paññobhāsa ... not working
Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2017, 07:34:42 AM
Sadhu Nyom Moritz . There is nothing what does not arise in Samsara...

Actually one is right in thinking "Well, if they would understand they would not do.", and see it just as a further persersion of decaying times, giving him food for disattachment to the world.

As for pointing out such: Since it is dominant today, giving even the holly life such ideals, its good to open ways that one could see the effects of pseudo liberality.

As for Bhante Paññobhāsa , my person, and surely many, worry a lot of his future, not only because he tries to "fight" world with world, not seeing being caught himself at all.

There is no danger for one having found solide convidemce, and such hints are not meant to increase a "we" and "they at all, but to possible open the eyes of one in doubt, that convidence in the Dhamma has nothing to do with approval of desire.

Yet knowing for example simply people in remote areas, where people live open next to each other, knowing that they are with defilements and openly and friendly accept each other, speaking open in regard of strange tendencies, like one with a to long and one with a to short nose, now both knowing that they are imperfect, not fighting for approval of to short and to long noses should be seen as perfect as well and so do not cut away real desire-worthy aims and Noble Ones.

While to draw a picture that pseudo liberalism is the same as real liberal is very poisonous for society in lage and will at the end bring them strong rightwing Führers automaticaly. So the "problem" is not directly the freaky apprearance but that what will naturaly come when people at lage feel to much disturbed and endangered in ethical security. But this folk does not learn...

And you are right in saying, that is not what should be a monks business, but Atma hopes that he can provide with the "testing" purpose of such kitchen posts and he hardly is able to catch someone here, and that actually makes him kind of glad of the members of reader and supporter.

So such post are merely for those clinging to extrem views of pseudo liberalism althought it might not easy help, like in the case of Sujato and his freaky fellows of Dhamma - punks. If one feels nailed down with something that is really not good, seeing his extrems do not bring honor (such people seek at least such) one might bend his ways, when "friends" turn away.

/me : could not find out what's the problem with mentioning. It happens periodical and might have to do with a java problem, maybe a conflict with another (by the runnig extern webpages here perhaps? No means to investigate. Khemindas an Sujato Bhikkhu did not work as well. So it does not seem to be a diacritics problem.

Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2017, 07:58:14 AM
And what is the message here in means of the Dhamma and the danger of approving strange things generally, having "leaders" of what is good and bad, embody absurdness?

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Lokapala Sutta: The Bright Protectors

"Bhikkhus, these two bright principles protect the world. What are the two? Shame and fear of wrongdoing. If, bhikkhus, these two bright principles did not protect the world, there would not be discerned respect for mother or maternal aunt or maternal uncle's wife or a teacher's wife or the wives of other honored persons, and the world would have fallen into promiscuity, as with goats, sheep, chickens, pigs, dogs, and jackals. But as these two bright principles protect the world, there is discerned respect for mother... and the wives of other honored persons."
Quote from: http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/an/an02/an02.009.irel_en.html

And, just to make clear, such things can be found in any tradition, as long peoples are not in or bound to the Sangha of the Noble Ones.

So a person with moral shame and conscience, in the case he is not able to overcome his tendencies, would not care name and image of worthy ones but have a sense of shame. Like a smoker would not glorify his disability and leave the room to maintain his addictions desire.
Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2017, 08:28:44 AM
/me Mentioning - Test:

What would the Buddha say, to his disciples, confronted with such stories, Bhante Khemindas  , Sujato Bhikkhu , Bhante Paññobhāsa , Bhante Chantasaro  , Ayya Agganyani , Nyom @Marcel   Johann Khemindas  Harry  ?

/me : Aufgefallen ist nur, Moritz , daß im Fall der beiden umgewandelten Nennungen das Auswahlmenü zwei mal gekommen und gedrückt wurde... und Moritz immer funktioniert, selbst ohne Auswahlmenü... ::)  Nissaya?  :)
Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2017, 09:39:38 AM
What would the Buddha say, to his disciples, confronted with such stories, Bhante @Khemindas  , @Sujato Bhikkhu  , Bhante @Paññobhāsa , Bhante @Chantasaro   , Ayya @Agganyani  , Nyom @Marcel    Johann @Khemindas  Harry  ?

Thought on as well:

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"Bhikkhus, one possessing four qualities is deposited in hell as if brought there. What four? (1) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one speaks praise of one who deserves dispraise. (2) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one speaks dispraise of one who deserves praise. (3) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one believes a matter that merits suspicion. (4) Without investigating and scrutinizing, one is suspicious about a matter that merits belief. Possessing these four qualities one is deposited in hell as if brought there.

"Bhikkhus, one possessing four [other] qualities is deposited in heaven as if brought there. What four? (1) Having investigated and scrutinized, one speaks dispraise of one who deserves dispraise. (2) Having investigated and scrutinized, one speaks praise of one who deserves praise. (3) Having investigated and scrutinized, one is suspicious about a matter that merits suspicion. (4) Having investigated and scrutinized, one believes a matter that merits belief. Possessing these four qualities one is deposited in heaven as if brought there."
Quote from: http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.083.bodh_en.html

and

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"There are, Potaliya, those four kinds of persons found existing in the world. Of those four, the one that is the most excellent and sublime is the one who speaks dispraise of someone who deserves dispraise, and the dispraise is accurate, truthful, and timely; and who also speaks praise of someone who deserves praise, and the praise is accurate, truthful, and timely. For what reason? Because what excels, Potaliya, is knowledge of the proper time to speak in any particular case."
Quote from: http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.100.bodh_en.html


Title: Critic toward people one is in relation, bond to, part of.
Post by: Johann on September 29, 2018, 02:44:23 AM

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Critic toward people one is in relation, bond to, part of. (http://sangham.net/index.php?topic=8828.0)" eröffnet, dem angehäng.
One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Critic toward people one is in relation, bond to, part of. (http://sangham.net/index.php?topic=8828.0)" or attached there.
Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: gus on October 06, 2018, 01:11:21 PM
Okasa,

Why there seems to be an overlap between the supporters of

Same sex marriage and
Modern bhikkhuni ordination ?


Vandami.
Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Johann on October 06, 2018, 01:41:21 PM
If wanderer came here to erect what ever kind of liṅga here, he wasts his time. Nobody will worship it and there is great danger that the cut of may hurt in this way.

Look out for a useful work which is conductive for wanderer gus current and next life. In this domain there will be no support of what ever stand, diṭṭhi, liṅgaṃ or yoni worshipping and to find fellows to gain revange, or satifactiin by winning against other opinions "housholder" domains and outer lands may be better.

Stay or come on puñña-vathu and if still to weak better take a rest and let old things cool out by withdraw.

Does wanderer gus understands this clearly now? Leave your household aside and outside and don't try to make the Noble Domain your home in this way. That is catching a snake at it's tail. Those in charge will care about or not, but this things are not his business at all.
Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: gus on October 06, 2018, 02:12:37 PM
Okasa,

Tone of a reply reveals many things.

Vandami.
Title: Re: Celebrating same-sex marriage in Buddhism
Post by: Johann on October 06, 2018, 02:25:16 PM
Hopefully the right, wanderer gus .