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Open monastery, laity practice area- [Öffentliches Kloster, Laienpraxisbereich] (vata assama) => Heaven & Hell - [Himmel und Hölle] arupa-loka & apaya => Topic started by: gus on October 05, 2018, 03:35:43 AM

Title: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 03:35:43 AM
Quote from: Lo-wada Sangarava'
A Sinhalese poem of the 15th century
Regard as equal your own welfare and the other's welfare.
Have thoughts of metta for all living beings.
If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
How are you going to attain the peaceful bliss of Nibbana?
Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: Johann on October 05, 2018, 03:50:14 AM
Be (act) dear to yourself, Deva gus first! Only one who disregards himself hurts, starting by himself.

Help yourself fist! "Be" (act) quick!

Uphold virtue gained like a mother cares for her only son. Strive for more virtue like a woman wishing to have a son to care.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Piya Sutta: Dear

At Savatthi. As he was sitting to one side, King Pasenadi Kosala said to the Blessed One: "Just now, lord, while I was alone in seclusion, this train of thought arose in my awareness: 'Who are dear to themselves, and who are not dear to themselves?' Then it occurred to me: 'Those who engage in bodily misconduct, verbal misconduct, & mental misconduct are not dear to themselves. Even though they may say, "We are dear to ourselves," still they aren't dear to themselves. Why is that? Of their own accord, they act toward themselves as an enemy would act toward an enemy; thus they aren't dear to themselves. But those who engage in good bodily conduct, good verbal conduct, & good mental conduct are dear to themselves. Even though they may say, "We aren't dear to ourselves," still they are dear to themselves. Why is that? Of their own accord, they act toward themselves as a dear one would act toward a dear one; thus they are dear to themselves.'"

"That's the way it is, great king! That's the way it is! Those who engage in bodily misconduct, verbal misconduct, & mental misconduct are not dear to themselves. Even though they may say, 'We are dear to ourselves,' still they aren't dear to themselves. Why is that? Of their own accord, they act toward themselves as an enemy would act toward an enemy; thus they aren't dear to themselves. But those who engage in good bodily conduct, good verbal conduct, & good mental conduct are dear to themselves. Even though they may say, 'We aren't dear to ourselves,' still they are dear to themselves. Why is that? Of their own accord, they act toward themselves as a dear one would act toward a dear one; thus they are dear to themselves."

That is what the Blessed One said. Having said that, the One Well-Gone, the Teacher, said further:


If you hold yourself dear
then don't fetter yourself
      with evil,
for happiness isn't easily gained
   by one who commits
   a wrong-doing.

When seized by the End-maker
   as you abandon the human state,
what's truly your own?
What do you take along when you go?
What follows behind you
   like a shadow
   that never leaves?

   Both the merit & evil
   that you as a mortal
   perform here:
that's      what's truly your own,
      what you take along when you go;
that's      what follows behind you
   like a shadow
   that never leaves.

So do what is admirable,
as an accumulation
   for the future life.
Deeds of merit are the support for beings
   when they arise
   in the other world.
Quote from: http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/sn/sn03/sn03.004.than_en.html
Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 04:31:07 AM
Be (act) dear to yourself, Deva gus first! Only one who disregards himself hurts, starting by himself.
Help yourself fist! "Be" (act) quick!
Uphold virtue gained like a mother cares for her only son. Strive for more virtue like a woman wishing to have a son to care.
Vandami.
I think I was very fortunate to get connected with a monk who emphasize on Nekkhamma.

/me You know what? I'm already homeless. I live a yogi life. Otherwise I don't act like a person who disregard your advises on renouncing again and again. This is the very reason that I'm asking information about forest monks and traditions. (Hope your next reply will be about the disadvantages of anonymity.  :))
Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: Johann on October 05, 2018, 05:21:08 AM
Then Deva housholder gus , you might know that some monks know thoughs and faces of other anyway and how harmful it is to cheat or to laught or to lift oneself above monks.

No one can protect you to do not harm yourself aside your self in putting goodness received into action. That is a person who has faced the Tathagata and praise (which is an action, by mind, speech and deeds) the highest in proper way.
Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 05:30:46 AM
how harmful it is to cheat or to laught or to lift oneself above monks.
Okasa,
Is being anonymous is cheating?
Is there any attempt to lift oneself above monks?
Vandami.
/me I think now you have got angry without a reason.
Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: Johann on October 05, 2018, 05:52:44 AM
how harmful it is to cheat or to laught or to lift oneself above monks.
Okasa,
Is being anonymous is cheating?

Yes, doing anonymos is cheating and has unskilfull intentions and miccha diṭṭhi as cause. Why? Because neither have Saddha to follow what wise advice nor knowing for oneself, having seen like Dhammas come into being and decay.

Is there any attempt to lift oneself above monks?
Vandami.
/me I think now you have got angry without a reason.

No one can get angry without reason, but unskilfull deeds are the reason to fall into hell. Not seeing, understanding cause and effect does not mean that there are no reasons.

So son of housholder-traditions, gus , try by sticking to virtue gain a borderland to be possible able to leave home and meet the Noble Domain. And if meeting take refuge. Be (act skilful) quick, you island has reached the horizont to borderlands.
Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 06:06:19 AM
Okasa bhante,

Yes, doing anonymos is cheating and has unskilfull intentions and miccha diṭṭhi as cause. Why? Because neither have Saddha to follow what wise advice nor knowing for oneself, having seen like Dhammas come into being and decay.

Okay, consider me as a MD. (micca dittiko)

So son of housholder-traditions, gus ,

I'll bear all the harassments.

try by sticking to virtue gain a borderland to be possible able to leave home and meet the Noble Domain.

I have already left home and hope to meet the noble domain.


Vandami and Khamatu me bhante.
Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: Johann on October 05, 2018, 06:24:39 AM
What does it mean "having left home"? Confused wanderer gus .

Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: gus on October 05, 2018, 06:29:34 AM
What does it mean "having left home"? Confused wanderer gus .
Yes, I have left home and a confused wanderer who is always condemned by monks in the forums.
Title: Re: If you cannot do even that much you will languish long in samsara.
Post by: Johann on October 05, 2018, 07:02:28 AM
Good, wanderer gus has left outwardly homes, not really home (eg. the six door and their objects).

Does he like to stay/be like that? Or is he searching for another way to walk on?