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Title: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on December 03, 2019, 11:09:26 PM

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Maybe worthy to think whether a www .sangham(.rel/net/org).kh domain as mirror, or how ever bond to origin, if such is of interest, could work, hosted in Khmer domain. (once some inspirations shared here (http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,2405.msg11427.html#msg11427)).
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Moritz on December 04, 2019, 01:19:22 AM
Sadhu, that is a good idea. _/\_
Only Cambodian citizens can register .kh domains.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Cheav Villa on December 04, 2019, 09:11:30 AM
Sadhu Sadhu  :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on December 04, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
If such is wished, Nyom Moritz might need the help of Khmer devoted IT-ies, Nyom Cheav Villa , starting to try to obtain a domain for the Sangha from the King, Government. (currently all Dhamma Vinaya, and all arround is hosted improper on google&co. or facebook)
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Cheav Villa on December 04, 2019, 10:32:03 AM
 :) _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Moritz on December 05, 2019, 08:38:36 AM
Sadhu _/\_

I found this website (https://www.trc.gov.kh/offline-services/dns-registration/), apparently the central institution responsible for registering .kh domains, with some PDF info documents and application forms in Khmer.
Different than most other domain endings, managed by other countries etc., it seems Cambodian domains are not possible to register with such common quick and easy "click to buy" market place mechanisms as offered by third-party resellers in many places for other domain types.
The process to set everything up correctly, after acquiring the "rights" to a domain, might also be more complicated and also the registration is a bit more costly, or so I have read (but don't know any concrete numbers).

So this undertaking would require a bit more effort and translation even of possibly technical terms, I think. Maybe uncle Vithou would be able to assist.
/me forgot which Khmer word to use, to me using "uncle" in English just sounds a bit strange, but think is understood right :)

Surely a good idea for the long term, but maybe good to get all the other things for server migration finished first. :)

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

/me will try to cut this topic off and move it to its own thread.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on December 05, 2019, 09:32:31 AM
What ever does not come from the highest authority has actually no real base. That's something importand to understand generally.

All, if not really firm supported from below , sorry above!, althought, gain is possible, needs to be compensated with material things (of which isn't a proper, dhammic way).

It would be good if the last Dhammic state, great Kings, would give the Tripple Gems a proper dwelling within their domain in the refined world as well, of course.

Although such as "buying" is today common, actually and in traditional ways, thing are always asked for.

The ways it runs at this time in this realm is not only a lose for a particular country but the world at large leading to desert wilderness similar like middle east.

My person guesses that, the Khmer authorities have no own infrastuctur, either backbones, server, repeater, net, nor any direct control, aside of surely unknown agreement with huge companies and provider like other states. One must be aware that even in the west such as social, charity, not to speak religions domains simply do not exist in this realm for now. It's a Jungle. Also, as having once worked for huge infastructure, it's a very corrupt billions field without really developed regulations, and as a large amount of food and existance actually happens in this realm, it, and it's struggles, are actually much, much larger as if a new planet would have been explored.

Aware of it, leaders and elders here are very careful not to throw things out to free markets and try to keep an eye on where they can, as long as able to withstand "modern consume liberality pressure".

Only what is in the stream of goodness and gratitude, not rejecting right view, is domain where the Gems may persist and it's generations.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Moritz on December 05, 2019, 09:45:28 AM
Sadhu
_/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on December 05, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
The young Upasaka, son (?) of Upasaka Chea Mangala (Mongul), who held the Umbrella (http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,9586.msg20896.html#msg20896) patiently for long time, told that he is working as IT-teacher (merely rare and much seeked for here). Not sure if you might be able to reach out to him and let him know about possibilities to engage in your merits of adjusting good base, Ārāme, Ārammaṇa for the Gems.

Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Vithou on December 09, 2019, 11:28:02 PM
Bhante,  Bro Moritz ,

Could u check the prefer domain name and let me know? I will check with the ministry of post and telecom to register.

It was thinking of Sangham.info.kh , sangham.org.kh ....

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Moritz on December 10, 2019, 11:36:49 AM
Bhante,  Bro Moritz ,

Could u check the prefer domain name and let me know? I will check with the ministry of post and telecom to register.

It was thinking of Sangham.info.kh , sangham.org.kh ....

 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Sadhu, Pou Vithou _/\_

How about simply sangham.kh?

Although further information on this on this government website, https://www.trc.gov.kh/dns-registration/ (https://www.trc.gov.kh/dns-registration/) seems to be missing in English, I think this somehow must be possible?

Looking at the list of possible (https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat) "publically available to be registered" domains, maintained by volunteer work, as well as submissions from domain registration authorities, at https://publicsuffix.org/ (https://publicsuffix.org/), for .kh, there is simply listed:
Code: [Select]
// kh : http://www.mptc.gov.kh/dns_registration.htm
*.kh
So, at least according to this, very generally, *.kh should be possible.
The link in the comment, refering to a different government website, http://www.mptc.gov.kh/dns_registration.htm (http://www.mptc.gov.kh/dns_registration.htm) seems to be outdated, now leading to a 404 error page. But maybe there is still some further useful information or contact to be found there. (The whole site is in Khmer.)

According to the English info visible on https://www.trc.gov.kh/dns-registration/ (https://www.trc.gov.kh/dns-registration/), the following possibilities, along with regular requirements for registration, are listed:
Quote from: https://www.trc.gov.kh/dns-registration/ (https://www.trc.gov.kh/dns-registration/)
For Domain .gov.kh /me only for government organizations; seems not suitable
  • Application submitted by the concerned organization
  • A Copy of Khmer National Identity Card or Government official Identity Card of the eligible person, responsible for the administration of domain name
For Domain .com.kh, .net.kh /me apparently thought only for commercial organizations, requiring certain business documents; seems not suitable
  • A copy of Certified Letter of Incorporation from the Ministry of Commerce
  • A copy of Certificate of Incorporation
  • A Trademark
  • A copy of Khmer Identity Card or Family Book or Passport for foreigners
  • A copy of Patent
  • For Domain .org.kh
  • A copy of approval letter granted by the Ministry of Foreign Affair and International Cooperation for non-governmental organization
  • A copy of approval letter granted by the Ministry of Interior for organization or local association
  • A copy of Identify Card or Khmer Identity Card or Passport for Foreigners
For Domain .edu.kh /me for educational institutions, requiring some appropriate "paperwork" signed off by appropriate government institutions
  • A copy of Sub-Decree on the establishment of educational institution issued by the Royal Government or the Prakas on the establishment of school issued by the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sport
  • A copy of Identify Card or Khmer Identity Card of the eligible person to own the domain
For Domain .mil.kh /me for military; seems not suitable
  • Official applications submitted by the concerned organization
  • A copy of Identify Card or Khmer Identity Card of the eligible person to own the domain
For Domain .per.kh /me seems to be for individual persons, or families, and their "own place" on the web; seems not really suitable
  • A copy of Khmer Identity Card or Family Book or Passport

So, for example ".info.kh", mentioned by Pou Vithou as possibility, does not appear in that list.
Not sure if that list is really showing all that is possible.

So I don't get a clear understanding of what is possible or impossible there, regarding domain names, and if simply ".kh" is available at all.
Are there any known websites ending simply in ".kh" (not ".gov.kh", ".edu.kh", ".per.kh", ".net.kh", ".com.kh", etc)?
Are there any known websites ending with ".info.kh"?
If Pou Vithou could find out what is really possible or impossible, as well as how to request, that would be great.  :) _/\_


What would Bhante say, would be best, most fitting, if simply such as "sangham.kh" is not available, and if only the listed above are available at all for requesting registration?

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on December 10, 2019, 12:21:34 PM
Sadhu for care and thoughts.

Thought on the Sangha in relation to the national domain, of course it would be proper to don't place it on the same level to wordly domains, but that is something that only the Great Kings, and their minister could decide.

"Nation, Religion, King" is the Kingdoms motto.

Again, thought on the Sangha at large for a proper dwelling, what if not simply asking of what can be offered, and maybe such as "xxx.rel.kh" could come into being.

Whether there are thought of putting a sphere direct after the Nation, then surely involving a lot of interest pulling.

Yet most suitable that for example monasteries could find a possibility to have their gates not depending on much costs in regard of register under "rel.kh" for example.

In regard of the existing domains and their purpose it does not look as if one would be really proper. Net might be the most suitable from a view of it's use.

Generally it total comes back of what you may think and also willing and able to carry possible.

And my person guesses that some thought are total unique in the world, never done before, to think to give the Sangha a domain in the web above ordinary using just common rights.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Vithou on December 11, 2019, 11:54:38 PM
 _/\_ Bhante and  _/\_ Moritz,

Let me check for sangham.info.kh , sangham.rel.kh, sangham.kh and a few more.

Bhante, mentioned rel.kh, what is real stand for?

 _/\_
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on December 12, 2019, 04:25:19 AM
"rel" might be for such as religion (there is no such Generic top-level domain (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_top-level_domain)), since those are not really top level domains since put after nation.

Atma thinks .info isn't so proper. Sangham means "for the Sangha", dedicated, not a self presentation or advertising.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Vithou on December 16, 2019, 09:38:02 PM
 _/\_  Bhante,

After kana double check, it is quite difficult to get the local domain for religious but for business is easier. We need to have the proper document. Kana will ask them to support and Kana thought that they might need approval from the ministry in charge in order to get the online monetary.


Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on December 16, 2019, 10:05:15 PM
Sadhu for care. As told, Nyom Vithou : it's easy to just trade and get bond by it. Much better if a good state, kings, leaders see the benefit from giving those after higher possibilities aside of trade, politics... but such is a matter of goodness and faith toward the tripple Gems, shouldn't be a matter of worldly affairs.

It might be the first real given place toward the Savaka Sangha of the Eight directions in this realm, if possible, then only in a possible last Dhamma-Vinaya Kingdom, impossible there where other mottos already reign, no more Great Kings looking after long term happiness for many.

Maybe difficult to declare, but members of the Savaka Sangha would neither carry rights nor documents but simply relay on goodness given without strings to possible persists.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on January 11, 2020, 06:24:36 PM
Nyom Vithou , vistiting on 7. January-kuti samaggi day, told that he could not find access to other then the public announced. As for more offical and special ways it would require to have higher support on such.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Cheav Villa on January 11, 2020, 06:47:10 PM
Kana Bhante _/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Kana dont understand about " it would require to have higher support on such".  ^-^
 _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on January 11, 2020, 07:10:57 PM
Nyom Cheav Villa ,

Thismeans if for example such as a religious domain like "sangham.rel.kh" or even "sangham.kh" is wished: such would require the support of either the Great King, the Great Leader, their ministry (which of course everybody could request theoretical, asking, suggesting them such). Or request (of which is surely improper, and thats the reason why trying to organize) by a Sangha-Raja.

The other domain, to be obtained by everyone, require the before listed things.

So if Nyom, for example, likes to register "villa.per.kh", a copy of Khmer Identity Card or Family Book or Passport is needed.

If wishing to register "sangham.net.kh":

A copy of Certified Letter of Incorporation from the Ministry of Commerce
A copy of Certificate of Incorporation
A Trademark
A copy of Khmer Identity Card or Family Book or Passport for foreigners
A copy of Patent

If wishing to register "sangham.org.kh":

A copy of approval letter granted by the Ministry of Foreign Affair and International Cooperation for non-governmental organization
A copy of approval letter granted by the Ministry of Interior for organization or local association
A copy of Identify Card or Khmer Identity Card or Passport for Foreigners.

and so on.

Of what neither a Sangha nor it's members could actually provide, not to speak of asking for.

Like with land for a monastery, a dwelling, domain: so that it isn't actually improper, such requires to be intentionally given by the King or leader of a country at least.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Cheav Villa on January 11, 2020, 07:48:06 PM
Kana Prah Ang _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on February 20, 2020, 10:09:03 AM
As it just came to mind, Nyom Vithou , Moritz , Sophorn Cheav Villa ...

Lay people could, as generally given, found such a "Saṅghaṃ.net" (For the Sangha) NGO, registed non-profit lay organization, dedicated to make the internet realm proper accessable for the Sangha and it's followers (building and maintain a given Vatta in the i-realm) via then a possible domain of sangham.org.kh or sangham.net.kh and the existing sangham.net.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Vithou on February 20, 2020, 04:39:40 PM
Yes Bhante, it is quite difficult here.. I cannot find the channel to support the base because the government need to control the NGO and broadcast channel. the only way is to open the NGO first or need to go to ministry in charge religious. I could not access them because need a lot of efforts to drive and I believed they won’t support due to the interest or political.
Title: Re: registering a .kh domain (like sangham.kh) for the online monastery
Post by: Johann on February 20, 2020, 04:54:12 PM
No problem Nyom Vithou . But good to have always good thought and no preoccupation anyway. Only wishing, deeds by thought, are the root of things come into be, good or bad, Nyom.

May one not forget that such as a given dwelling, accessabe remorseless, incl. consciously given from the lord of a domain (not in way demanding rights), does not exist in this world, for the Sangha of the eight directions, yet. And only Dhamma-Kings, leaders, could do such merits.

In the rest of the world such would be reall difficult, impossible, because no Dhammic chef can be found.

So the more near such missing issue is brought humble to the leaders themselves, the more near that wishes for the Sangha might get true.

Why not even a gov.kh domain, if direct given for the worlds Sangha?

A shared good heritage, accessible for good people last long, long time.

It could be even a place for the Sangha to prepair to an invitation for the 7. Sanghayana. (http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,9643.0.html)
given by the Khmer as "Thank you peace (khema)!".

Wishing, encouraging, giving visions, that alone are already a large share.