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Open monastery, laity practice area- [Öffentliches Kloster, Laienpraxisbereich] (vata assama) => Down to earth - [Ganz bodenständig] manussaloko => Topic started by: Johann on January 05, 2020, 06:53:46 PM

Title: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Johann on January 05, 2020, 06:53:46 PM
Saṅkhāra is actually an action saṅ or saṁ = bind/bound, khara burn, or saṅkha/saṅgha, bound, āra, support. Holding together and maintain a formation.

There cames the time there are no more conditions to maintain a compound structure and there also might be the case when there is no more reason to hardly maintain a body, kāya (group), saṅkhāra (Formation, compound, fashioning, fabrication)

What are saṅkhāras, phenomenas? Constructions, mental, physical, in all spheres of existance, build up and maintained by will. The chain that comes after not knowing, avijja.

And what is a supportive reason to let go of what ever formation (mental or physical)? If it involves, requires unskillful deeds.

And what is the reason to let go of formations willingly maintaining, support? If it does no more support encouragement to skilful, if Upanissaya has made it's cause.
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Johann on January 10, 2020, 07:02:03 AM
Whould the be any use of maintaining a body, given such relays on food, if no grow in independency from food is desired?
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Moritz on January 10, 2020, 07:53:57 AM
Whould the be any use of maintaining a body, given such relays on food, if no grow in independency from food is desired?

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

In relation to what/whom was this said?
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Johann on January 10, 2020, 10:06:44 AM
It can be apply to any body (physical, mental) in the world. Thought, idea, intention, feeling, form, home, body-of-teaching, firm, undertaking, ... in sort the five aggregates, Nyom Moritz .

When seeing that there is more harm and disadvantages then gain of independency, when bodies become hindance for liberation, intentional nourishment, which requires harm, is easy given up.
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Moritz on January 10, 2020, 11:29:21 AM
And what was the purpose, what was the Anlass to repeat this announcement again at this point. For the sake of what/whom? To make see everything as meaningless? To cause worry some more? Or to help others letting go?

Liberation through starving physically, sounds like a Jain idea.
And regarding others, "if no grow in independency from food is desired", if that is thought for the sake of others... makes no sense, would sound a bit like Anmaßung to know what freedom others would desire, even though still far from it.

_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

/me being angry at perceived "cynicism", probably wrong, needing to sleep now to go to the dentist early, still having teeth which seem useful to maintain...
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Johann on January 10, 2020, 11:46:46 AM
Spoken on teeth: Some four/five years ago, while treated by faith and much care, Nyom Sophorn and others also organised that old hurtful teeth got removed. A long and burdensome undertaking.
Then she/they had the idea to let make even new ones, which my person then rejected.

Since child my person always thought on how people earlier or without means mastered the decay of teeth but never got an answer of what happens with teeth if not removed.

Now Atma could answer it, but possible less would know or give into asubha and reality of suffering.

It's total not wrong, not to missunderstand, to take good care and maintain given things with harmless means. Neglecting ones merits, goodness and sacrifices of others, by not taking care of one heritage, just using it away, isn't proper, harmful for others and oneself.

To wish that something that has come into being, being destroyed: that's of course vi-bhava-tanha and most akusal.

To abstain from wrong, even it may cause burdens, pain, and even existance hasn't anything to do either with bhava not vi-bhava-tanha, desire for either being or not-being.
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Johann on January 11, 2020, 02:42:42 PM
Does Nyom Moritz understand the way of nourishing and ending of nourishing now better?

It's the same with everything, relations, habits, skills. Once seeing it neither brings benefit for oneself or other, one let it simply run out. No aversion needed, as it would work likewise greed or not-knowing, maintaining the relation anyway.

That's also the way to come out of debt. Sure, if letting go of nice signs, the previous givers might still beat the former indebtor. Something to bear.
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Moritz on January 11, 2020, 10:18:18 PM
_/\_ _/\_ _/\_

Kana Bhante, I understand as much as I did before.
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Johann on January 11, 2020, 10:48:21 PM
Good. Supposed Nyom has bought a car. After a while it gets broken here, broken there, first cheap it requires a lot of tax and fuel. He comes to late. Sometimes does not reach the place. And when one day starting to think more correct, he sees that the cost are much higher then any benefit. Would he another time go and let it be repaired? Would he fill risky another tank? Or would he just drive till there it would then stop. Step out and leave it behind?

Or if Nyom falls in love with a woman. Invests much, time, effort, thoughts, labor, 1000 of hours for some minutes, and again, again, struggle, cheating... and one day he starts to calculate serious and truthfull and sees that the pleasures gained aren't even 1/1000 of the sacrifices. Would he further but ony labor into it, maintain and sacrifices for such a relation, or simple let it run out?

Or a shirt... form, sound, smell, taste, touch, idea. If seeing that there isn't any refuge in it, subject to decay, would he give a penny into it if required to steal it or cause harm, fight with another blind?

Yet if even seeing on the other side, while still busy with useless, things worthy to give into, supportive, a refuge, a raft to cross the swamp, would he put a penny of conflict and struggle, fight and even grave wrong to maintain useless stuff?
Title: Re: No more maintaing a body
Post by: Johann on January 11, 2020, 11:27:16 PM
Or another... he bought (or made) a software, after a while it needs upgrades to be further everywhere to use, after another while upgrades get expensive or run out. He might still use it for what it can serve, maybe maintain a little with what having, let it run out...

The common ways is taking new, hacking there, download this, anew... with all the increase of endless debts on many sides to stay in the run where never one has won anything at least.