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Title: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on April 17, 2018, 04:41:05 PM
My person is not sure if such would be a possible solution to make the share of merits more accessible: today came across "dokuwiki (https://www.dokuwiki.org/)", which for my person limited understanding looks simple and very accessible for multiple users and multiple languages and seems to be more independent from such as usual databases. If right, in this case, there would be also a SMF plugin, if such would be useful.

So my person carefully asked the developer, Mr. Andreas Gohr, if the use of his general gift is welcome and possible for ZzE, it's user and purpose. Not sure if such an unusual approach might be answered.

Also not sure if it might match certain "requirements" such as "pages visible only to certain groups" (as for CSCD for example) or how things like "how to get the datas into such a wiki", style, doc-info, khmer-font... instalation, ... file-structur...

Just thought to make it to a topic and leave it up to ideas and inspirations as they might arise.

Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on April 23, 2018, 02:07:11 PM
Mr. Andreas Gohr, surely very busy, (surely thinking "what a strangers approach ...") generously gave even an answer via email, making his joy clear, that anybody feeling "having joy" in make use of it, may do so and enjoy it's use.

Sadhu!

My person has of course no idea how much program maintenance (updates, re-coding...), it would require, but it might be a possibility to make giving and sharing, dedicated for the Sangha of the eight directions, and it's follower, easier.

What does Nyom Moritz think?

Also, of course Nyom Danilo , and all the many others?

If certain permission things could be made in regard of public and certain user visibility, the Sanghas CSCD copy could be also complete added as root. Build up on accesstoinsight.eu "anew".

Possibility of giving, if standard and structure is good considered, accessible for many without any special IT-knowledge necessary.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on April 23, 2018, 11:42:34 PM
Mr. Andreas Gohr, surely very busy, (surely thinking "what a strangers approach ...") generously gave even an answer via email, making his joy clear, that anybody feeling "having joy" in make use of it, may do so and enjoy it's use.

Sadhu!

Sadhu!

My person has of course no idea how much program maintenance (updates, re-coding...), it would require, but it might be a possibility to make giving and sharing, dedicated for the Sangha of the eight directions, and it's follower, easier.

What does Nyom Moritz think?
It looks very useful.
It might even be practical to maintain ZzE as a Wiki with this as well. It is possible, apparently, to use this SMF forum for login authentication (https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:authmysql:smf), and to set access rights for groups and users (https://www.dokuwiki.org/acl), and if I understand correctly there are possibilities to define own styles and tags as well (https://www.dokuwiki.org/wiki:syntax#syntax_plugins), but not sure how much.

Of course it would probably require a good amount of time. Maybe I could look into it on the weekend.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Danilo on April 25, 2018, 03:30:17 AM
I've taken a quick look. Yes, apparently doesn't require technical knowledge to work on it.
I might have a better overview when I take the time to read the manual hereafter.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on April 28, 2018, 06:32:27 PM
I don't know what to do with the DokuWiki right now and don't really have free time now to think about it yet.
I am uploading the DokuWiki package at the moment on the ZzE server to set it up later.
The uploading will take some time and then one has to run some install script and set up some database etc.
I am postponing that to "later".

_/\_
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on April 29, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
Sadhu Nyom Moritz , and nothing to worry, nothing that requires to causes stress and not just joy.

/me : Just for possible general support: It's always good, if wishing to sacrifices something, to think "just" on the part able for now. Prepear, place, dedicate and give proper, so that it can be used as it is further and then rejoice at it. Later one might feel the wish to do this or that, continue. In this way one can "tick off" an action each time, recoice with it, and keeps ones ways open, is not troubled to possible have a duty out of giving. It's of course somehow noble to wish to cause this or that come into being, but such often leads to unwholesome states and actions. It's good to trace the freedom within it, and how freedom of choice is different of wish. To sustain a line of choices requires steady paccaya (time, skill, material things...). Paccaya, is also the usually word for money, if speaking "polite" in monastic areas... But actually it can be always compaired with that. If having the wish to give something worthy $1000 and having now $5. If thinking "oh, I will collect all before, and then give" it might be the case that this and that comes in between and after what ever long time, the sometimes collected is again gone into this and that. If on the other side, one put the 5 out of range but still holding on it, or do not proper give, it might lay just there where it has been put, end if not just gone, the housekeeper might pick it up. But if just done that much, with joy given "may it be for this and that come to be". This deed is done. Nothing can make a full acting undone. And tomorrow, who knows, but it's perfection for this part ripes. Hope, better trust that this was a useful help and if not possible misunderstood as another "I need to do..." but simply "I can" and it makes joy. Vipassana-practice, actually. As for skillful mindstates (not to mix with desire toward and object outward), the Buddha said, never ever delay actions on it. So it should be also not misunderstood as pacification "don't worry, merits can be made if old". Maybe, and it's actually a general advice, not on this case or for this here, this advices help a little (http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,8561.msg14540.html#msg14540), when it is a good time to put into something and make merits.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on May 24, 2018, 11:26:31 AM
Atma has asked his nephew, Nyom Harald , if he would like to do and give here something, remembering that he started to learn a skill in this sphere. Of course it's not sure if he will feel inspired since not familar with the object and ways around it at all.

How ever, Atma told him that Nyom Moritz might be the person in for what ever technical issues and accesses and that Nyom Sophorn is the giver and owner of the possibilities here. Just that you are also informed in the case Nyom Harald might approach and that you knoew that certain things might seem alien to him.

But over all, nothing to feel urged or asked to by this.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 12, 2018, 01:51:36 PM
Nyom Harald replied kindly, but in regard of this here and unknown spheres, it seems that being busy might not allow him to get much into the topic. Just to inform.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on June 13, 2018, 11:21:51 PM
Looks similar for me at the moment.
_/\_
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 15, 2018, 05:08:34 AM
Does Nyom Moritz think my person would be able to install and configure it with his given means? Time, willing to sacrifice, shoudn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on June 15, 2018, 07:48:32 AM
Ich weiß es nicht. Das Grundpaket ist installiert.
Aber was man nun damit machen und wie man alles einrichtet, überblicke ich bisher noch nicht.

Das Wiki ist momentan zu erreichen unter zugangzureinsicht.org/dokuwiki (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/dokuwiki). (Weiterleitung von accesstoinsight.eu im Moment keine, weil 'accesstoinsight.eu' ins Unterverzeichnis 'zugangzureinsicht.org/html' weiterleitet; kann man aber alles leicht woanders hin schieben).

Ich habe noch nicht verstanden, wie man die Benutzerdatenbank von SMF zur Anmeldung benutzt.
Es gibt zunächst erst mal ein Admin-Konto, das nicht mit der SMF-Datenbank verknüpft ist. Namen und Passwort habe ich Ihnen per E-Mail geschickt.

Habe gerade ein Backup vom aktuellen Zustand gemacht und bei mir gespeichert. Also kann man alles mal ausprobieren und braucht keine Angst zu haben, etwas kaputt zu machen.

_/\_

I don't know. Basic package is installed.
But I don't have a good overview yet about what can be done with it and how to configure everything.

The wiki is reachable under zugangzureinsicht.org/dokuwiki (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/dokuwiki). (At the moment no redirection from 'accesstoinsight.eu', because 'accesstoinsight.eu' redirects to the subdirectory 'zugangzureinsicht.org/html'; but that can all be easily moved around.)

I have not yet understood how to set up DokuWiki to use the SMF user database for login authentication.
For now, there is one admin account, not linked to the SMF database. I have sent user name and password to you by email.

I have made a backup of the current state and saved it here locally on my computer. So one can try out everything without worrying about breaking things.

_/\_
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 15, 2018, 10:17:17 AM
Sadhu!

Atma wird sich das Umleitungsfile ansehen und versuchen accesstoinsight.eu frei zu bekommen, ohne irgendwo tote Links durch fehlendes redirect zu machen, daß wenn möglich Verzeichnisse wie "wiki" wegfallen und ati.eu direkt als Wurzel dienen kann, wenn es dokuwiki erlaubt. Und Atma wird etwas erforschen, wie am besten einen Verzeichnisbaum aufzubauen, und, und und.

Mag Nyom Moritz ja keine Zeit, notwendig für Lebensunterhalt und Verpflichtungsminimierung da opfern.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 15, 2018, 01:19:39 PM
Nyom Danilo , Atma has set an Admin account for Nyom.

My person set also an own so that user Admin stays free for Nyom Moritz.

Currently trying to figure out how to set up a structure, but not even came as far as how to create a page. Lets see. Maybe missing the side bar or certain commands. (since not sure if a all time side bar is that nice)

ok... just using new id in url and then one can create  ^-^

- root/

containing general info pages, similar to zze

- root/tipitaka
- root/library
...

not sure about language, script and author hierarchy for now. As for the root for tipitaka the various CSCD pali text would be good to use (visible just for certain groups, like given by vipassana institute)

Much joy be exploring
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 15, 2018, 02:07:56 PM
My person has chanced htaccess of ati.eu


Code: [Select]
Redirect /html/ http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/
Redirect /lib/ http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/
Redirect /ptf/ http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/pft/
Redirect /tipitaka/ http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/

this should match 99% of existing links and the ati.eu and its root should be free (aside of this four directories)
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 16, 2018, 03:52:38 AM
Times ago, in regard of login, Atma had seen about a bridge (https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=556493.msg3960314#msg3960314).

If at least necessary or leaving login, creating account or edits even without open... my person does not know which is easier and better.

Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on June 16, 2018, 08:37:08 AM
I have tried out a little bit on my own computer and now I know how to set DokuWiki to use the SMF database for logging in users, using the AuthPDO (https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:authpdo) plugin.

With that, one can set permissions, "read"/"write"/"upload" etc. for all the existing SMF members and member groups in the "Access Control List Management".

Permissions for unregistered users can be set through user group "@ALL".
Permissions for all registered forum users can be through user group "@user".
For all existing forum member groups, one can use the group name from SMF, for example "@Global Aramikini", to set permissions for that group.

To get a user account, one would have to register through the forum, and log in with the same user name and password in DokuWiki. But it is possible to set permissions for some namespaces to allow editing/viewing etc. also for unregistered users.


I don't know what else this other "bridge" is doing. I think it is linking and including user profile information, displaying avatars in a more pretty visual way.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 16, 2018, 08:45:30 AM
Sadhu!

That sounds very good and useful Nyom Moritz .

My person currently "plays" a little, to figue out how to best get such thinks like anchors (seems to require a mod), credits and layout done and how to easy convert all into this format. A lot of basic work.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on June 16, 2018, 08:54:41 AM
I am just trying to set it up like that now in the ZzE DokuWiki.
Seems I have set something wrong, so no login possible at the moment. But should be fixed soon, I think.
_/\_
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on June 16, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
Okay, already working again.
Now everyone can login with their forum user name and password.

In the DokuWiki configuration settings (accessible by Admins/"super-users"), there are options for assigning certain members or groups as "superuser" or "manager".

The "superusers" have access to all configuration settings. They can change everything. I think they also have automatically access to all Wiki pages and namespaces.
And if I understand correctly, they are the only ones who can set user permissions for pages and namespaces in the "Access Control List Management".

I have made the following settings for testing for now, don't know what would be most practical:

At the moment, "superusers" is set to: "@Administrator,@Administrator (klösterlich),Johann,Danilo"

(Groups can be set beginning with '@', and all names must be separated by commas.)

The "managers" can do some administrative things, like reverting some changes. I don't know what else exactly. But they don't have many possibilities to change global settings and also cannot set permissions for pages and namespaces in the "Access Control List Management", I think.

At the moment, "managers" is set to: "@Global Aramika,@Aramika,@Global Aramikini,@Aramikini,Krecik"

(just testing out if everything works with groups and single user names etc.)


In the "Access Control List Management", the administrators (super-users) can set permissions for all (existing or non-existing) groups and members for each page and namespace. But in the Dropdown menu, only those groups and members are visibile which have already been assigned in some rules.
To set access rules for some other members or groups that are not yet listed in the dropdown, one has to select "Group" or "User" in the dropdown, and type in the username or group name exactly as it is in the SMF database. (And I don't know if one has to type '@' here before a group name as well, if one has already selected "Group" in the dropdown.)
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on June 16, 2018, 09:35:43 AM
I think the other SMF bridge (https://github.com/realdigger/DokuWiki-SMF2-Authentication-Plugin) plugin is more connected with the SMF forum, automatically logging users in and out when they are logging into and out of the forum etc. Not sure. Maybe useful, maybe not.
But I think otherwise this here provides more or less the same functionality for now.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 16, 2018, 09:47:39 AM
It seems to work fine and it surely no problem to login another time. Atma will look after the permission settings.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 16, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
Ist, so denkt Atma, eine feine Lösung und mag es für viele die möchten, erleichter, was auch immer für Art und Umfang zu geben.

Sicher ist da noch vieles, aber der Grundstock dürfte dienlich sein.

Es ist, wenn möglich, sicher gut alles auf accesstoinsight.eu zu verschieben, und wenn möglich direkt ohne Zwischenverzeichnis wie "wiki", "dokuwiki" usw. um tote Links zu vermeiden, Nyom Moritz .

Selbst, was hat er für einen Eindrück?

Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on June 16, 2018, 02:59:24 PM
Ist, so denkt Atma, eine feine Lösung und mag es für viele die möchten, erleichter, was auch immer für Art und Umfang zu geben.

Sicher ist da noch vieles, aber der Grundstock dürfte dienlich sein.

Es ist, wenn möglich, sicher gut alles auf accesstoinsight.eu zu verschieben, und wenn möglich direkt ohne Zwischenverzeichnis wie "wiki", "dokuwiki" usw. um tote Links zu vermeiden, Nyom Moritz .
Ja, das ist wohl eine gute Idee. Ich hab gerade wieder eine Backup des aktuellen Standes heruntergeladen und würde das jetzt auf accesstoinsight.eu hochladen.
Wenn gerade noch etwas in Bearbeitung, kurz bescheid geben. Dann warte ich das noch ab, um es auch mit zu kopieren.

Selbst, was hat er für einen Eindrück?
Ja, ich denke auch mit den vielen Plugins, die es gibt, lässt sich gut etwas zusammenbasteln. Der grobe Anfang sieht auch schon gar nicht schlecht aus. Und so ein Wiki-System ist wirklich nützlich gerade für eine Seite wie ZzE.
Title: Re: Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 16, 2018, 03:13:26 PM
Wichtig ist, das man Freude damit hat und wenig eingeschränkt ist was sehr Technisches betrifft, obgleich diese Sphere anderen wieder Gelegenheiten gibt.

Atma hat sich von Bearbeitungen zurückgezogen und beschäftigt sich mit den Style-Anforderungen.

Wenn immer Nyom Moritz denkt das es paßt, mag er bescheid geben, wenn frei zum Weitertun.
Title: Re: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on June 16, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
Ja, die technischen Einschränkungen können hier wohl gut vereinfacht werden, so dass es leichter wird, für jeden der Lust hat.

So, DokuWiki ist nach accesstoinsight.eu umgezogen. Dort ist jetzt wieder freie Bahn.
zugangzureinsicht.org/dokuwiki (http://zugangzureinsicht.org/dokuwiki) wird jetzt dorthin umgeleitet.

_/\_
Title: Giving birth of accesstoinsight.eu
Post by: Johann on June 16, 2018, 04:35:19 PM

Aramika   *

Ein oder mehrer Beiträge wurden hier im Thema abgeschnitten und damit in neues Thema "Giving birth of accesstoinsight.eu (http://sangham.net/index.php?topic=8658.0)" eröffnet, dem angehäng.
One or more posts have been cut out of this topic here. A new topic, based on it, has been created as "Giving birth of accesstoinsight.eu (http://sangham.net/index.php?topic=8658.0)" or attached there.
Title: Re: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on June 25, 2018, 05:05:31 AM
Werde etwas umgesehen, wer da passende Freude haben könnte, und bereit für solches wäre, ist meiner Person Nyom Mirco in den Geist gekommen. Wenn er testen oder was immer inspieriert, am Besten mit Geist der Noblen Sangha zugeneigt, möchte, mag er so tun.

Am Besten vielleicht einen "eigenen" Bereich anlegen: http://accesstoinsight.eu/user/mirco/

Wenn er Mönchen und Nonnen, oder anderen Dhammikas Bereiche für eigene Dokumente und Arbeiten anlegen möchte, sie einladen möchte, mag er so tun.
Title: Re: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on July 05, 2018, 08:33:51 AM
And, did Nyom Danilo find already some times to get the new enviroment known?

Althought still a mass of work to get the already existent in proper form, it will serve it's purpose great, making good work and sacrifies avaliable easier for many.

With such as the templet plugin (https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:tplmod), even the layout for those just up to read, could be made in proper ways.
Title: Re: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Danilo on July 07, 2018, 03:40:55 PM
And, did Nyom Danilo find already some times to get the new enviroment known?

Althought still a mass of work to get the already existent in proper form, it will serve it's purpose great, making good work and sacrifies avaliable easier for many.

With such as the templet plugin (https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:tplmod), even the layout for those just up to read, could be made in proper ways.

I have tried to login, but it returns the message "Sorry, username or password was wrong."
Title: Re: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on July 07, 2018, 04:43:29 PM
I have tried to login, but it returns the message "Sorry, username or password was wrong."

Hello Danilo, _/\_

this is strange. Username and password should be the same as for this forum here. It is using the same user database. Are you sure you remember it correctly? Can you log in here in the forum when really typing in that password, or does it come from "browser memory"?
In any case you could try to see if it helps to set a new password. When you try to log in here in the forum with wrong username and password there is a link, asking: Forgot your password? (http://sangham.net/index.php?action=reminder) (... same as this link here) You can follow that link, and enter your e-mail adress there to get instructions to set a new password.

_/\_
Title: Re: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Danilo on July 08, 2018, 12:07:24 AM
Hello Danilo, _/\_

this is strange. Username and password should be the same as for this forum here. It is using the same user database. Are you sure you remember it correctly? Can you log in here in the forum when really typing in that password, or does it come from "browser memory"?
In any case you could try to see if it helps to set a new password. When you try to log in here in the forum with wrong username and password there is a link, asking: Forgot your password? (http://sangham.net/index.php?action=reminder) (... same as this link here) You can follow that link, and enter your e-mail adress there to get instructions to set a new password.

_/\_

It worked now.   :)
I was trying to login with another account which I received by email.
Title: Re: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Moritz on July 08, 2018, 12:30:25 AM
It worked now.   :)
I was trying to login with another account which I received by email.

Good to hear that it worked now. :)
Title: Re: [ATI.eu] Wiki, "dokuwiki" for ZzE-pages
Post by: Johann on July 08, 2018, 01:02:15 AM
Had a good time to think about where the commands for creating or deleting pages and namespaces are. Fantastic simple. Maybe try this: http://accesstoinsight.eu/doku.php?id=user:danilo .