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"The Silent Sages of Old" another fake-sage?
« on: March 01, 2018, 07:46:46 AM »
Doesn't only the title sound pleasant for those wanting all?

Recently the Dhamma-trade group, since a longer doing a livelihood in selling "sages", puplished a new translation of the sages sayings:

NEW: The Silent Sages of Old [PDF]

Altought my person has less doubt that they would not answer, not even allow the comment displayed, (either because feeling caught, can actually not answer, or do not understand and simply fearing their trades endangered) following was asked:

My person wonders why it might be so difficult to trace hypocrisy, and what else then (graving after) accumulations such projects might be? Wouldn’t it be better to lead a project to clear up (the) living and acting in paradoxes, Anonymous? A writing sage, how could he be a sage in the mirror of his words? And on the other side, didn’t Mara often tried to quite the teachings in this way on the other hand (saying, the sages of old did not teach)? So why not be simply honest and try (not) to play something that (simply) does not work? Because how much sake would be an anonymos fake, and don’t think that my person just does a talk?

So, aside of suggesting to give in for a trade, and not really give it for sharing merits, the obiviously connection to well known "trades in Dhamma", such as Bodhi and the other seller, Anandajoti... what do you think, can a writer or teacher ever be a sake and if, how and in which ways would he contribute them?

My person is sure that also the anonymous Admin, of the Dhamma pressing page, might have to think more honest about the internet-confused role-playing games, Hermit Hiriko .

At least, what do you like, if even able, give people to encourage them to let go of the foolishness of role-playing and wonderland dreams? Is it worthy to feed just another belly and disrespect the sages for such low sakes?

Not even are those sakes able to give up money and others for projects in the world.

May the anonymous sage, if not caught in such trade company become not caught or sees while anonymously surfing the paradox and inhonest way.

When one teaches, one is a teacher, when one put nothing into the world, one is a sage, and if a sages feels it is good to teach, has certain remainders, then he might be a sage abounding his last remainders.

If one accumulates to do so, or accumulates from rewards, whether hidding in foolish "i am an anonymous sage" or not, it's good if knowing, "I teach", "I abound for no further becoming, at least I tried another time, may I honor the sages in proper ways and may the difference between a sage and one possible after it, be always visible to trace..."

At least, one can get in serious problems, filling ones belly, seek for accumulations, in suggessing others of being sakes...
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Re: "The Silent Sages of Old" another fake-sage?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 10:49:54 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Admin of PP via email
Your arrogance appears very foolish and therefore you are causing a lot of demerit by calling the translator as "fake". If you knew who the translator is you might realize you are only youngster from kindergarten standing next to the professor.

The translator wants to keep his privacy and doesn't want to be known, so people don't seek for him. Simple as that.

Quote from: Johann via email to Anonymous od PP
Is it sure that my person called the translator fake, or what if?

Sure, must be a sage, if wishing to hold on his privacy. It's seems you don't see how "funny" you are.

From experiance as well in accordiance to the teachings, it's a matter of upanissaya if one seeks and possible finds... what if not an extreme advertising of "seek after me" should that be?

And what, if a sage actually, would make him wish others not to meet a sage and gain deep faith? (Aside that the Buddha did not want his sages to be just sold by those making livelihood out of them.

So how childish kindergarten is a possible "exactly knowing the talk", if imaging that it could be possible sitting actually in the crowd of kids? Just foods for thoughts and, yes, my person, even if you get the message, does not think that you may be able to actually answer the question and release it's paradox.

But like always, my person would be more then happy, if his "assumings" are wrong.

Feel always welcome and even if hard to take, no need to think that things are aside of own made of unskillful and not knowing origin.

If the translator gets that to read, he possible would explain you who or what talked with him and be sure that he would, others as you think really rejoice.

You wouldn't risk to give him release, wouldn't you. So he is possible not in the best association, what do you think?

(A possible sage or fake, having not accumulate enought knowledge and communication skill)

Samana Johann
doing Forest monk in Cambodia
(You are welcome to visit sangham.net)

For someone having no upanissaya at all, even if knowing name, adress, even frequently tracked by gps, even if standing in front, on would not find, either the sage nor the Dhamma.

Yes, my person really "wonders" or gives to wonder, what the kindergarten is about...

And tells you: this very graving for sensuality and becoming = craving after trade.

May the smell of another fart gives many rise for awakening.

Aren't the enough "anonymous-sages/fakes" around especially here in this realm and the others? Aren't there enought helpless Jains around?

My person can not remember even a lower sage not having approached with joyfull 'Sadhu!' after having been addressed in such way outside of the guilds of Jains having occupied this realm for worshipping their anonymity...

It would not wonder if certain sakes hold not only on rights developed in this world of anonymity but also a monk identification card an passport to possible defend and claim such rights...

Try to trace the sender/poster here.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2018, 11:18:23 AM by Johann »
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Re: "The Silent Sages of Old" another fake-sage?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 11:36:01 AM »
Quote from: to Anonymous at PP
Btw., anonymous, in cases you would be able to risk the forwarding:

If the generous translator wishes to dedicate his work, in this case not out of compassion, but honor, respect and with wise intent to higher, toward the Noble Sangha and those following, aside of putting it into the world and trade, he may feel always invited to do so and may make use of the given enviroment on sangham.net for such, so that sages and those trust their ways seriously would be able to benefit from the sacrifice and possible carry it on outside the impure means of housholders but for many peoples later benefit, sacrificing toward Nibbana.

My person is sure that the translater will not feel insulted by possible respectless seeming approach. It's neither proper to show respect if improper nor if the object is anonymous, hides his appearence, merits and faults.

Again, it all, the whole spectrum of the very hindrance of stingyness lies again in your hand. After Jhana, path or fruits? If: consider wise.

Samana Johann
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June 19, 2018, 07:00:27 AM
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Let all know when the final going forth has been simply requested, simply received, to be able to rejoice with it.
 

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Der ehrwürdige bhante besitzt noch den pc ! Bhante idananno ist für 2 Tage nach phnom phen. Wenn bhante wieder. Da ist, werde ich ihn  fragen und mich darum kümmern dass bhante  einen Zugang zum onlinekloster bekommt!  :-* :-* :-* :-*
 

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Hat Bhante noch den alten PC und das USB modem? Wenn Nyom, nach fragen, seine Sim da reintut, kann er damit sangham.net erreichen. Atma Tel. Nr. 012 345 025 wenn Nyom etwas benötigt.
 

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Nyom? Marcel? Alles fein?
 

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Ich bin erst mal weg hier.
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May 29, 2018, 11:57:01 AM
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mögen sie alle ein verdienstvollen uposatha haben!  :-* :-* :-*
 

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May 22, 2018, 10:11:37 AM
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ehrwürdiger bhante

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Nyom Marcel.
 

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May 14, 2018, 01:24:42 PM
Sadhu!
 

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allen ein verdienstvollen uposatha

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Johann

May 14, 2018, 08:34:09 AM
Schüsse von Wilderern am Tag sind ja nicht ungewöhnlich, doch aus mehreren Richtungen und automatischen Waffen doch bisher hier nicht üblich gewesen. Möge niemand anderen Schaden zufügen und sich mit Abstehen davon jeder beschützen.
 

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It's not an accident that you came here and it will be not an accident whether one stays, comes back or leaves for another becoming or goes beyond.
 

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Mag da keiner seine Mutter an dem Tag vergessen zu ehren.
 

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May 11, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
Nyom Marcel.

Schlangentag und -nacht heute. Wem mag man was vergönnen? Der Schlange? Den Mäusen? Metta & Samvega oder umgekehrt? Mal angstlos Hunger, mal Angst, mal Maus, mal Schlange, essen, gegessen, verfolgen, gejagt...
 

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