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Author Topic: (wrong) Engaged Buddhist Kulturstealing - Living in/on affliction by thief  (Read 934 times)

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Quote from: Upasika Gabriella on DWE
Susan Scafidi, a Law Professor specifically says it is:

Taking intellectual property, traditional knowledge, cultural expressions, or artifacts from someone else's culture without permission. This can include unauthorized use of another culture's dance, dress, music, language, folklore, cuisine, traditional medicine, religious symbols, etc. It's most likely to be harmful when the source community is a ​minority group that has been oppressed or exploited in other ways or when the object of appropriation is particularly sensitive, e.g. sacred objects.”


So it's essentially a violation of copyright or fraud in the guise of "borrowing".

If you take something and pass it off your own, it's stealing.

If you present something as authentic or real when it isn't, it's fraud.

People might make a stink about it if they don't like how it's dealing in inauthenticity, but if there is respect it wouldn't be an issue.

Sadhu! But let's ask law an Dhamma in regard of the issue if "stealing" such from a cultur-thief cultur? From people who are used to steal what ever culture to but on their lable.

"Living in/on affliction by thief"

Would to steal, immitate their ways somehow, like if copy and past here, be ok to point it out, giving an appreciation? Or is it in some cases not a stealing in either do not making it, or making it ones own?

Would it be ok to use an art and just put another lable on it, or a lable and put another art under it?

How is the minority-aspect to be seen, in regard of Buddhist, Dhamma? Could such possible require "harsh" steps to beware of wrong doing and association with thieves?

What about "pulling" a (worldly) culture liberation out of a worldly pseudo-liberation cultur? Would it be a thief?
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People at large, not only that they even killed as long history can be traced, are not even dare to kill father and mother, their siblings, to gain the heritage their desire, sell and exchange, use it for their improper desired gains.

And the fact, that since not having arrived at the Dhamma, one is capable for grave wrongdoings, actually cutting one off the heritage for a long long time, destinated in hell.

Althought people of integrity might appear among cultures of thieves from time to time, newer would they go into trade or associate with them.

In this way it's good to reflect all modern and western undertakings, from trade with Dhamma till National and Lay Union and lay leading approaches, of how the basic principes of not depriving from existance, not taking what is not given, not abuse, not speaking what is not true, and indoxicating with youth, health and live, without refuge harm themselves, the world at large and set a minority to leave this world.

That some would always forgive ones acts, a person of integrity, does not release one from effects of ones deeds. Thats an importand matter to think about, since many base their actions on the hope that fruits of actiins wilk not fall on them, that maybe a supernatural power will release them by just praying and begging. No one is capable to display mercy in regard of cause and effect, peoples strong condition causes and effects of their kamma.

Large thieves, introduced by outsiders and seperated monks and nuns, are today leaded by lay people with even lesser respect, missusing the sublime lables to do their trade and lead the cultural holocaust, with red flags, social and nationalistic painted, with their worldly means and education (propaganda).

"Susans beware of the devils"

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MN 97: Dhanañjani Sutta — To Dhanañjani  {M ii 184} [Thanissaro]. A poignant story of a lay person whose welfare was of special concern to Ven. Sariputta, this discourse teaches two lessons in heedfulness. (1) If you're engaging in wrong livelihood, don't expect to escape the karmic consequences even if you're doing it to fulfil your duties to your family, parents, or friends. (2) Don't be satisfied with mundane levels of attainment in meditation when there is still more to be done.
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Communist "Mohayana"-monks, althought they might perfectly missuse and steal from the Gems, althought they are praised by outsider and even if having ordained, are regarded as "Bhikkhus having gone over to other religions" and are outside the tradition of the Noble Ones.

How ever Bodhi and Brahm they might present themselves.

So be careful Susan, of which Gem traders you probably pay devotion and salute. Cultural Gem-dealer are skilled in using fools and eventually heading worlds wars.
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If it happened, that you had been engaged to take on, maybe a lost, child of the wilds, another culture, made if your own without knowing and understandig the species way, even made it an adornment, an item of your zoo to run your trades for worldly gains, try to find the Childs heritage, the heirs of the tradition, the Noble ones and carefully offer and give it back to it's kind, like people try to reintegrate seldom animals into protected wilds.

It's not sure that it might be readopted having gained possible other kinds smell. But that's at least out of your control and up to the traditions wisdom.

For one releasing not into such as puplic domain, but toward higher, it's kind, encourages in simply protecting it from worldly, how ever public domains and declares the owner and heritage carrier as its kind, one giving release of what is not his/her own, can expect to gain leave toward the Noble ones and change ancestor ship to one aiming in highest release.

For those gradping after the heritage of yhe Gems and depriving the carrier from means to exist in proper ways, such, by binding and making what is not his own, his own, one stealing culture, such one is indeed for a long time bond and not capable to grow and escape the wheel of aging, sickness, death and birth, has deliberated deprive himself and his kind, bond to him from prosperity in the holly life.
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Sophorn

July 14, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
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Sophorn

July 14, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
 :)  ;) Moritz, gut einfühlbar. In Österreich lebte der Körper nach der asiatischen Uhr, hier in N nach der österreichischen Uhr.
Nicht zeitgerecht der Natur entsprechend zu leben, überfordert den Körper.  
Beste Grüße aus Kathmandu!  :-*
 

Johann

July 14, 2018, 11:06:18 AM
Sadhu, und vergesse Nyom sich nicht.
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 11:00:04 AM
Es wird spät in Hawaii. Einen friedlichen Tag allen. _/\_
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
Ja, gestern Vormittag bis Nachmittag. Ich lebe wohl gerade ungefähr im Einklang mit der Zeitzone von Hawaii.
 

Johann

July 14, 2018, 07:36:45 AM
Nyom Moritz. Hat er auch ausreichend Schlaf genommen?
 

Moritz

July 14, 2018, 07:30:08 AM
Good day, Bhante _/\_
 

Moritz

July 13, 2018, 05:58:06 PM
Vandami, Bhante _/\_
 

Johann

July 13, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Moritz

July 13, 2018, 03:07:40 AM
Ach ja, hab nun geändert. Vielleicht klappt's nun beim nächsten probieren @Roman
_/\_
 

Johann

July 13, 2018, 02:21:56 AM
Vielleicht gut wenn Meister Moritz Nyom Roman die 5 Mühsam-Beitagszahl hineinzaubert, da dann spamschutz wegfällt und er zu den unöffentlichen Foren Zugang hat.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
Hier eine kurze Bild-Erklärung zum Beantworten von Themen und Beiträgen.
Wenn noch Probleme, gern weiter hier nachfragen. _/\_
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 09:11:14 PM
Gut zu hören, dass der Bruder sich mitfreut. Sadhu! :)
Möge alles problemlos im Eintritt in das neue Leben für ihn laufen. _/\_

Roman

July 12, 2018, 09:01:41 PM
Danke moritz

Ich werde es ausprobieren!!

Aufjedenfall war es eine sehr erfreuliche Nachricht! ! Ich bin sehr stolz auf marcel!! Mein herz geht auf!! Wunderschön!
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:58:37 PM
(Also auch auf der neuen Seite, wo dann das Text-Eingabefeld ist: Das Text-Eingabefeld ist nicht gleich im Fokus, sondern man muss erst ein gutes Stück nach unten scrollen, um es zu finden.)
Nicht sicher gerade, wie es auf Smartphone aussieht, ob da viel anders ist.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:56:57 PM
Wenn man ganz unten ans Ende der letzten Nachricht scrollt, sollte da ein Button "Reply" oder "Antworten" sein. (Je nach eingestellter Sprache vielleicht.) Da drauf klicken. Dann sollte auf der nächsten Seite eine Texteingabe-Ansicht erscheinen. Zu der muss man aber erst ein Stück runter scrollen.
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
Oh, die Nachricht wurde abgeschnitten. Hier in der Shoutbox sind nur ein paar hundert Zeichen möglich.
Ja, das Forum ist etwas unübersichtlich am Anfang. Moment, ich versuche mal, zu erklären. :)

Roman

July 12, 2018, 08:41:24 PM
Hallo

Ich lese sehr viel hier!! Es ist sehr interessant!! Die Menge an Infos! ! Sehr toll!!..Ich habe versucht auf den Beitrag zu reagieren der die Entwicklung von nyom marcel beschreibt..glaube von Johann verfasst. Jedoch weiß ich noch nicht genau wie dieses funktioniert.
Ich habe die Nachric
 

Moritz

July 12, 2018, 08:34:57 PM
Hallo Roman, Binocular/Visitor _/\_
 

Johann

July 12, 2018, 02:08:25 PM
Nyom Roman
 

Johann

July 11, 2018, 10:08:30 PM
Ohh... es ist woeder mal 3 geworden. Atma erlaubt sich, sich zurückzuziehen und sich etwas um die Malaria zu kümmern.
 

Johann

July 11, 2018, 07:20:56 PM
Sadhu zu Ersten Ausruf/ Aufruf. Sadhu zum zweiten, zu Vorbildhaftigkeit, und mag er sich stets entlassen fühlen
 

Moritz

July 11, 2018, 07:00:07 PM
Chom reap leah, Bhante _/\_
Nun wirklich weg hier für heute, Arbeit ruft.
 

Moritz

July 11, 2018, 05:43:01 PM
Allen gute Besinnung auf was besinnenswert ([1] | [2] ) ist wünschend _/\_
 

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July 08, 2018, 09:33:25 AM
Karuna tvay bongkum Bhante :-* :-* :-*
 

Johann

July 08, 2018, 09:28:47 AM
Nyom Sophorn
 

Danilo

July 08, 2018, 12:20:06 AM
Bhante and Moritz _/\_
 

Johann

July 08, 2018, 12:16:49 AM
Moritz, Danilo
 

Moritz

July 08, 2018, 12:09:40 AM
Good evening, morning or whatever the time here and there. _/\_
 

Johann

July 02, 2018, 04:20:58 PM
Meister Moritz
 

Moritz

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Vandami, Bhante _/\_
 

Marcel

July 02, 2018, 02:36:37 PM
  :-* Hallo Moritz
 

Moritz

July 02, 2018, 02:33:25 PM
Hallo, Marcel, Sophorn. _/\_
 

Johann

July 02, 2018, 05:18:33 AM
Nyom Sophorn, Nachricht von Bhante Indannano: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,1554.msg15198.html#msg15198
 

Marcel

July 02, 2018, 03:51:28 AM
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Bhante
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Johann

July 02, 2018, 02:22:38 AM
Nyom Marcel
 

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July 02, 2018, 02:08:22 AM
Geruhsame Nacht, Nyom
 

Moritz

July 02, 2018, 01:48:32 AM
Gute Nacht. _/\_
 

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July 02, 2018, 01:47:01 AM
Hallo Mirco! :)
 

Moritz

July 02, 2018, 01:46:48 AM
Sadhu. Möge Bhante lange gesund bleiben. _/\_
 

Johann

July 01, 2018, 06:45:22 PM
Sadhu

Angenehmen, klärenden Tag. Auch allen anderen.

Atmas Gesundheit, trotz der durch stetes Regnen zahlreicher Mitesser, ist soweit ok und wer weis wie morgen. Bisher schon länger malariaanfallverschont.

 

Moritz

July 01, 2018, 04:45:36 PM
(Bin erst mal kurz weg vom Computer.
Chom reap leah. _/\_)
 

Moritz

July 01, 2018, 04:41:41 PM
Guten Abend, Bhante. _/\_

Wie steht es um Ihre Gesundheit und Malaria?

_/\_
 

Moritz

July 01, 2018, 03:48:17 AM
Hallo Sophorn!
Gruß auch zurück nach Österreich :) _/\_
 

Sophorn

July 01, 2018, 03:40:58 AM
Freut mich, dass es gut geht.

Beste Grüsse nach Asien und Resteuropa!  :-*
 

Marcel

June 30, 2018, 12:23:03 AM
Werte sophorn,
Mir geht es gut!  :-*
 

Sophorn

June 29, 2018, 08:23:49 PM
Werter Marcel,
Wie geht's?
 :-*
 

Marcel

June 28, 2018, 08:10:49 AM
  :'(- irrtümlich gesendet!!
 

Marcel

June 28, 2018, 08:08:00 AM
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Sadhu,Sadhu,Sadhu
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Sadhu,Sadhu,Sadhu
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