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Critic toward people one is in relation, bond to, part of.
« on: September 29, 2018, 12:44:52 AM »

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    Okasa Bhante,

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

"There are, Potaliya, those four kinds of persons found existing in the world. Of those four, the one that is the most excellent and sublime is the one who speaks dispraise of someone who deserves dispraise, and the dispraise is accurate, truthful, and timely; and who also speaks praise of someone who deserves praise, and the praise is accurate, truthful, and timely. For what reason? Because what excels, Potaliya, is knowledge of the proper time to speak in any particular case."

When I asked from a senior forest monk why above principal is not applied by modern sangha, he explained:
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  • These days are not "kala"(correct time) for speak dispraise of many sangha.
  • Since they have the support of majority or have worldly power, the person who speaks is expelled or attacked by the majority.
[li]Good monks are powerless and hard to find. So it is unwise to criticize powerful monks or majority sangha because they are in power. [/li]
[li]You can speak dispraise only if some one give 'okasa' (permission) or is your student.
Otherwise no any good result can be achieved but harmful to self and themselves both. Therefore this is not 'kala' for criticizing the monks in power or the majority.[/li]
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Do you agree with that?

Vandami.

« Last Edit: September 29, 2018, 02:44:23 AM by Johann »

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Re: Critic toward people one is in relation, bond to, part of.
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2018, 02:41:59 AM »
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Do you agree with that?

Yes, for one would need the liberty to do so in general. If one is in relation, nurish and depends on someone, it's not proper, will lead to much harm of one, if criticing Brahmans, Recluses, leaders of ones group, leafs to hell, or to ones pain.
It's for the most good to show not signs of approve and that's enough. No one has a duty to help outside ones relation-duties. Such is a matter of compassion if one has the freedom. (little similar to the account made in the science-topic in green. If the "big"-ones "fight" their battel, that's their issue. Don't take side as long not really knowing, don't imitate, don't do such as sacrificing your self for other, don't be a "hero". Latin: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. Observe, stay neutral as possible and then, being sure, tend in the direction what wise approve, and better to walk with "losers", making no unnecessary troubles for those poor and much need of loka-dhamma.
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Re: Critic toward people one is in relation, bond to, part of.
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2018, 02:47:09 AM »
* Johann : back from alms my person will try to extend this topic. The is a topic here in open-vihara on "how to react/act" in regard of people with wrong view, good to read in relation with this.
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Re: Critic toward people one is in relation, bond to, part of.
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2018, 06:58:38 AM »
Here is a "talk" on How to address wrong view? - Wie entgegnet man Falscher Ansicht?

The english Version is not revised and might be not that pleasant to read.

Most Ven. Nyanadassana , one of my persons previous/infomal mental Mentors, was so compassioned to go through it.
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