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Re: When one is born in outer regions
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2018, 03:10:55 AM »
Connection is not sure and the island you take as yours, drifts apart from the lands where the Buddhas teachings florish, have yiu not seen birth, oldage, death and the sickness of dependency!
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Re: When one is born in outer regions
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2018, 03:14:38 AM »
"The is no evil one would not do, for one who speaks a deliberated lie", be quick, many are those follow and have firm faith in what the Buddha taught to avoid! You illusional island trifts away!
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Re: When one is born in outer regions
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2018, 03:17:29 AM »
The family of the Noble Ones is beyond doing anyone a favor, beyond of trade, beyond of corruption for short lasting enjoyment and spinning around in the wheel of brith. aging sickness and death!

Come here and sit down in a human state!
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Re: When one is born in outer regions
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2018, 03:19:38 AM »
Being avoided by those in borderland, it's hard to ever join again in helping to errect a Buddhafield!

Be quick, your island trifts away!
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Re: When one is born in outer regions
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2018, 03:39:06 AM »
It's out of compassion, not a duty, that those who do not come back, give you a chance and stop for a short time to let others join a taste of joy that is beyond any tade, corruption, becoming, aging, sick ness and death.

When the last are gone, when you old illusional island, build on pride falls apart, where could you find firm refuge, where could you even find a places where Buddhafields are errected remembering the use of it right?

Be quick, your merits fade. It's not sure and hard to gain, a relation with the Noble Ones. Don't you see it, drunken in health, youth on life, foolish man. What you thought for real, where has it gone? Where is your fabricated Island now gone in this states of confusion, inbetween.

Don't be neglect, don't play with the Noble Ones!
You may be avoided by those living in borderland, who possible still have certain access.
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Re: When one is born in outer regions
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2018, 03:42:02 AM »
May you have made merits toward the Noble Ones in the past, that this food can be of nurishment now direct in front of yours.

When ever you remember a place you stored some rest of merits, take it, and sit diwn in a human state!
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Re: When one is born in outer regions
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2018, 03:51:22 AM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa


Maha-mangala Sutta: Schutz


Ich habe gehört, dass zu einer Zeit der Erhabene sich in Savatthi aufhielt, im Jeta-Hain, Anathapindikas Kloster. Dann näherte sich eine gewisse Devi in der spätesten Stunde der Nacht dem Erhabenen, deren außerordentliches Strahlen die Gesamtheit des Jeta-Hains überstrahlte. Bei der Ankunft, nachdem sie sich vor dem Erhabenen verbeugt hatte, stand sie an einer Seite. Als sie an einer Seite stand, wandte sie sich an ihn mit dem Vers:


Viele Devas und Menschen
machen sich Gedanken über Schutz,
Wohlergehen wünschend.
Sagt also, was ist der höchste Schutz?

[Der Buddha:]
Nicht mit Toren umgehen,
sondern mit den Weisen,
Ehre erweisen jenen, die würdig der Verehrung sind:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Das Leben in einem zivilisierten Land,
Verdienste in der Vergangenheit erwirkt zu haben,
sich in der richtigen Richtung zu bemühen:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Breites Wissen, Geschick,
wohlgemeisterte Disziplin,
wohlgesprochene Worte:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Unterstützung seiner Eltern,
Hilfestellung für die Frau und Kinder,
Gewissenhaftigkeit in der Arbeit:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Geben, Leben in Rechtschaffenheit,
Hilfestellung für die Verwandten,
Taten, die schuldlos sind:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Vermeiden, abstehen vom Bösen;
sich Fernhalten von Rauschmitteln,
wachsam über die Qualitäten des Geistes zu sein:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Respekt, Demut,
Bescheidenheit, Dankbarkeit,
das Dhamma zu passenden Gelegenheiten hören:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Geduld, Offenheit,
Besuch von Weisen,
Diskussion des Dhamma zu passenden Gelegenheiten:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Entsagung, Keuschheit,
die Edlen Wahrheiten sehen,
die Loslösung verwirklichen:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Ein Geist, der, wenn berührt
von den Wegen der Welt,
bleibt unerschüttert, sorgenlos, staublos, sicher:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.

Überall unbesiegt,
wenn in dieser Weise handelnd,
wandeln die Leute überall in Wohlergehen:
   Dies ist der höchste Schutz.



Maha-mangala Sutta: Protection

I have heard that at one time the Blessed One was staying in Savatthi at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Then a certain deva, in the far extreme of the night, her extreme radiance lighting up the entirety of Jeta's Grove, approached the Blessed One. On approaching, having bowed down to the Blessed One, she stood to one side. As she stood to one side, she addressed him with a verse.

Many devas and human beings
give thought to protection,
desiring well-being.
Tell, then, the highest protection.

The Buddha:
Not consorting with fools,
consorting with the wise,
paying homage to those worthy of homage:
   This is the highest protection.

Living in a civilized land,
having made merit in the past,
directing oneself rightly:
   This is the highest protection.

Broad knowledge, skill,
well-mastered discipline,
well-spoken words:
   This is the highest protection.

Support for one's parents,
assistance to one's wife and children,
consistency in one's work:
   This is the highest protection.

Giving, living in rectitude,
assistance to one's relatives,
deeds that are blameless:
   This is the highest protection.

Avoiding, abstaining from evil;
refraining from intoxicants,
being heedful of the qualities of the mind:
   This is the highest protection.

Respect, humility,
contentment, gratitude,
hearing the Dhamma on timely occasions:
   This is the highest protection.

Patience, compliance,
seeing contemplatives,
discussing the Dhamma on timely occasions:
   This is the highest protection.

Austerity, celibacy,
seeing the Noble Truths,
realizing Unbinding:
   This is the highest protection.

A mind that, when touched
by the ways of the world,
is unshaken, sorrowless, dustless, at rest:
   This is the highest protection.

Everywhere undefeated
when acting in this way,
people go everywhere in well-being:
   This is their highest protection.




Maṃgalasuttaṃ

Evaṃ me sutaṃ: ekaṃ samayaṃ bhagavā sāvatthiyaṃ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme. Atha kho aññatarā devatā abhikkantāya rattiyā abhikkantavaṇṇā kevalakappaṃ jetavanaṃ obhāsetvā yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami, upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṃ abhivādetvā ekamantaṃ aṭṭhāsi, ekamantaṃ ṭhitā kho sā devatā bhagavantaṃ gāthāya ajjhabhāsi.
 
260. Bahu devā manussā ca maṅgalāni acintayuṃ,
Ākaṅkhamānā sotthānaṃ brūhi maṅgala muttamaṃ.
 
261. Asevanā ca bālānaṃ paṇḍitānañca sevanā,
Pūjā ca pūjanīyānaṃ etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
262. Patirūpadesavāso ca pubbe ca katapuññatā,
Attasammāpaṇidhi ca etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
263. Bāhusaccañca sippañca vinayo ca susikkhito,
Subhāsitā ca yā vācā etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
264. Mātāpitū upaṭṭhānaṃ puttadārassa saṅgaho,
Anākulā ca kammantā etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
265. Dānañca dhammacariyā ca ñātakānañca saṅgaho,
Anavajjāni kammāni etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
266. Ārati virati pāpā majjapānā ca saññamo,
Appamādo ca dhammesu etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
267. Gāravo ca nivāto ca santuṭṭhi ca kataññutā,
Kālena dhammasavaṇaṃ etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
268. Khantī ca sovacassatā samaṇānañca dassanaṃ,
Kālena dhammasākacchā etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
269. Tapo ca brahmacariyañca ariyasaccānadassanaṃ,
Nibbānasacchikiriyā ca etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
270. Phuṭṭhassa lokadhammehi cittaṃ yassa na kampati,
Asokaṃ virajaṃ khemaṃ etaṃ maṅgalamuttamaṃ.
 
271. Etādisāni katvāna sabbattha maparājitā,
Sabbattha sotthiṃ gacchanti taṃ tesaṃ maṅgalamuttamanti.




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Re: When one is born in outer regions
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2018, 04:03:46 AM »
Okasa vandami bhante,

What do you mean by 'human state' and 'be quick'?
Is it about renouncing ?

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Neither ONLY just for the sake of all others nor ONLY for the sake of one self, that one should tend to assist in errecting a Buddhafield!

Only if having left home, have left trade, seeing the danger in all compounded things one is capable to participate in errecting a Buddhafied and also this not for a lasting time.

May there merits left, may they be tracesd, may the love and devotion toward the Noble Ones, the drive gained in the past, the fear to fail and seeing the pain of beings, you are part of it, lead you to take this momant, the chance you have, be enough for reaching a firm stand in the domain of the Buddhas and Arahat beyond world.

"Dhammo have rakkhati dammacāriṁ"

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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2018, 04:10:27 AM »
Leave your house behind, Deva gus , take on face, show and express you human state, you name, you body yiu have been given by you parents, sit down and bow to the Gems, the family you so long seeked.

And if ready let it be known, so that you can listen to the teachings of the Buddha and take them firm in your heart.
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2018, 04:14:31 AM »
For the sake of yours and all those equal not secure, be quick, the connection is not lasting, your island drifts away!

Now, even it seems to be your last and needed refuge.
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Vandami. _/\_

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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2018, 02:58:05 PM »

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

Samacitta Sutta: Minds in Tune

I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. And on that occasion Ven. Sāriputta was staying near Sāvatthī in the Eastern Monastery, the palace of Migāra’s mother. There Ven. Sāriputta said to the monks, “Friend monks!”

“Yes, friend,” the monks responded to him.

Ven. Sāriputta said, “Friends, I will teach you about the individual interiorly fettered and the one exteriorly fettered. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak.”

“As you say, friend,” the monks responded to him.

Ven. Sāriputta said, “And which, friends, is the individual interiorly fettered? There is the case where a monk is virtuous. He dwells restrained in accordance with the Pāṭimokkha, consummate in his behavior & sphere of activity. He trains himself, having undertaken the training rules, seeing danger in the slightest fault. On the break-up of the body, after death, he reappears in a certain deva-host. On falling from there, he is a returner, one who returns to this state.[1] This is called an individual interiorly fettered, a returner, one who returns to this state.

“And which, friends, is the individual exteriorly fettered? There is the case where a monk is virtuous. He dwells restrained in accordance with the Pāṭimokkha, consummate in his behavior & sphere of activity. He trains himself, having undertaken the training rules, seeing danger in the slightest fault. He enters & remains in a certain awareness-release.[2] On the break-up of the body, after death, he reappears in a certain deva-host. On falling from there, he is a non-returner, one who does not return to this state.[3] This is called an individual exteriorly fettered, a non-returner, one who does not return to this state.

“Further, there is the case where a monk is virtuous. He dwells restrained in accordance with the Pāṭimokkha, consummate in his behavior & sphere of activity. He trains himself, having undertaken the training rules, seeing danger in the slightest fault. He is one who practices for disenchantment toward, dispassion for, and the cessation of sensuality. He is one who practices for disenchantment toward, dispassion for, and the cessation of becomings. He is one who practices for the ending of craving. He is one who practices for the ending of greed. On the break-up of the body, after death, he reappears in a certain deva-host. On falling from there, he is a non-returner, one who does not return to this state. This is called an individual exteriorly fettered, a non-returner, one who does not return to this state.”

Then many devas with their minds in tune [samacitta] went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, bowed down to him and stood to one side. As they were standing there, they said to the Blessed One, “Lord, Ven. Sāriputta is teaching the monks in the Eastern Monastery, the palace of Migāra’s mother, about the individual interiorly fettered and the one exteriorly fettered. The assembly is overjoyed. It would be good, lord, if the Blessed One went to Ven. Sāriputta out of kindness.”[4]

The Blessed One acquiesced through silence. Then—just as a strong man might extend his flexed arm or flex his extended arm—he disappeared from Jeta’s Grove and re-appeared in the Eastern Monastery, the palace of Migāra’s mother, right in front of Ven. Sāriputta. He sat down on a seat laid out. Ven. Sāriputta, bowing down to the Blessed One, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, the Blessed One said to him, “Just now, Sāriputta, many devas with their minds in tune went to me and, on arrival, bowed down to me and stood to one side. As they were standing there, they said to me, ‘Lord, Ven. Sāriputta is teaching the monks in the Eastern Monastery, the palace of Migāra’s mother, about the individual interiorly fettered and the one exteriorly fettered. The assembly is overjoyed. It would be good, lord, if the Blessed One went to Ven. Sāriputta out of kindness.’
“Those devas—whether they are ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, or sixty—can stand on an area the size of the tip of an awl and yet not disturb one another. If the thought should occur to you that ‘Those devas must have developed their minds there (in their heaven) so that—whether they are ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, or sixty—they can stand on an area the size of the tip of an awl and yet not disturb one another,’ it shouldn’t be seen in that way. It was right here[5] that those devas developed their minds so that—whether they are ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, or sixty—they can stand on an area the size of the tip of an awl and yet not disturb one another.

“Thus, Sāriputta, you should train yourselves: ‘We will be peaceful in our (sense) faculties, peaceful in our minds.’ That’s how you should train yourselves. When you are peaceful in your faculties, peaceful in your minds, [think,] ‘Bodily action will be peaceful, verbal action will be peaceful, mental action will be peaceful, & we will render peaceful service to our fellows in the holy life’: That’s how you should train yourselves.

“Sāriputta, those members of other sects who don’t get to hear this Dhamma discourse are lost.”
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October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

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October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

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October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

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October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

gus

October 04, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
Khamatu me bhante!
My previous  post was this.
"Please forgive me and give birth to kindness ao as to let me live here anonymous "
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:21:35 AM
... doing so based on gratitude without just trading in giving, or out of duty in a relation one resits, one is able to get not only to the borders, but into Noble ones domain.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:19:27 AM
And to put much into such sacrifies of giving ones honor, ones dwelling, ones source of food (family), one possession (even intelectual), the Dhamma one has made his own

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