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Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« on: October 06, 2018, 06:45:58 AM »
from the Talk box today:

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Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

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There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.

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Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.

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If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

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Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa

One   should not make an effort everywhere,
   should not be another's hireling,
   should not live dependent on another,
   should not go about
      as a trader in the Dhamma.

It's good to read the sutta often. The King can be also an inwardly.

It's total no problem to act or ask on behave of Noble Ones, honest, serious, those not intetested for or against the world, not interested in fighting something outwardly or seeking of justice or revange.

If acting on behave, asking on behave of others who might not be able to do so directly or would appear as acting improper, to help, assist, serve for Noble purpose is highly meritious.

Just be sure that not acting as a hireling or trader.

Althought a certain monk would not act in defeat or personal wishing to punish such a "ugly" person, the kamma one accumulates either as King or as someone working like a agent or even double agent for wordily gain, is not a lite and very harmful for one.

Be always honest and open, what ever problem their might be, for such a person is protected by the Devas and the Gems while those impure acting are sure to get the wage of foolish deeds very quick. Don't hide, or try to hide behind something you aren't.

That counts as well for Bhikkhus and recluse who walk with hidden face in householder domains. Total ugly and not a little to inspire faith or make it firm.

Dogs bit only those who show signs of fear or ill-will. Fear has a reason. If ones faith in kamma is really firm, ones virtue has no faults and that is why a virtuous person can approach ever kind of gathering, housholders, noble soldiers, Brahmans, Devas, Samanas, Bhikkhus... upright, self-confident.

Are there certain doubts left, wanderer gus ? Is it understandable and can the reasons and aims of this advices be seen?

Also in regard of possible skilful or unskilful prompted (deliberately) or unprompted (reacting) causes and their related effects, or if made defuse or based on strong diṭṭha (samma or miccha, or beyond)?

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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2018, 06:53:15 AM »
There are a lot of encouragements to help Bhikkhus and those worthy to serve: organise them access, helping to deliver, act as messenger...

Such it not only proper, a duty, if in a certain formal relation, but a very fruitful field of merits.

(Western/modern teachers, the Niganthas/Jains, call it mostly unskilful and modern/western people find service and running for worthy purpose and worthy people also as "not to do", but simply to cut of the connection between borderlands and Noble Domain. So be careful = watch the frames of references, your, not try to judge others.)
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2018, 07:46:34 AM »
Areas and Topics specially dedicated for acting and asking on behave of others (inviting to join merits...)



At least, not to forget, the whole acting here, wether as lay person, visitor, member, or as novice, Samana, Bhikkhu, all actions are wisely performed as a service for the field worthy of gifts, the Noble Sangha and it's conventional representative, the Savaka Sangha of Bhikkhus of the eight directions and their good following.

In specific cases, one might just open a topic and it would be placed as proper as possible also if maybe "wrong" placed.

Of cource the Ven. Members of the Sangha of the eight directions are invited and given to make use of all possibilities without the need of doubt wether it is given or not.

Also their following and interested people.

Look invitations on many places here.

"There is nothing good if not done by oneself"
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2018, 08:04:28 AM »
Sila first! If having or observing silas, then what ever giving will fill up the tank full.

If wishing to make just Dāna or service in frames of giving without duty for it, and up to certain gain this or that, that is fine as well, but consider that there are many, many places which are of "need" of such and living on performing generosity in exchange and you may easier gain desired there, what ever seeked after in the realms of the worlds.
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2018, 09:13:58 AM »
Okasa bhante,

Actually what I meant by "on behalf of future/other people" is not about becoming an agent of someone but is something like below.

Eg:
Asking a question that I currently don't need but for the benefit of future new comers or other members.
Posting something to make the forum helpful or enthusiastic to others.
...etc.

Vandami Bhante.

*  Bhante alaways suspect me.  :)

Sila first! If having or observing silas, then what ever giving will fill up the tank full.

Vandami Bhante.

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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2018, 10:54:48 AM »
* Johann : Everybody (would/will) suspect you, as long wanderer gus runs around in disguise, acts childish and is not able to introduce and show himself in proper ways, stay either an object to produce bad kamma for others or produces himself in this way and in both cases harms both, himself and others to give space for wrong views to grow.

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Asking a question that I currently don't need but for the benefit of future new comers or other members.
Posting something to make the forum helpful or enthusiastic to others.

As told, what ever Dana and preperation for others to be able to access Noble Domain is good. The more based on Silas, the more a sacrify upwardly and not so much downwardly or for equal, the better. If he likes to prepare the forum that it is better accessable for those speaking Sinhalese, such would be a great service. It thinking to post not given what everybody can google or things not given and in householder domain, better not.

What ever Wanderer Gus feels inspired.

A way to use the forum - Eine Art das Forum zu nutzen Welcome [Forum Guide]

Generally, for one in practice, it's better to make services ("where can I help, what can I do") than to enjoy certain freedom one does not really have now and forgetting ones duties. (See topics like: FAQ über sangham.net (für Haushälter) )

(Generaly see also topics like: Association with pets - Associated rebith? , Sozialisieren, mit wem und warum | Socialize with who, why | ធ្វើសង្គមមូបនីយកម្ម , Association with the Devas - associated Rebirth . And the five proper times/objects of gifts: best orientation for everyone till Arahatahood on where, fro whom and when to make gifts.)
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2018, 11:05:03 AM »
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Asking a question that I currently don't need but for the benefit of future new comers or other members.

Wanderer gus , again in detail on subject on this:

That is actually costume, althought western modern find it childish.

Even Arahat cross-question each others, to increase their own skills and to perform a borderland for others.

Yes, totally. It was spoken about the matter some times ago and maybe my person can link the topic.

But, How ever, in certain areas, for medias, or to win costumers, such has become like actors livelihood. There are monks and lay teacher who train artificial shows to earn a living. Such is ugly and entertainer-livelihood, often leading to low realms.


Addition:

It has been discussed in Unzufriedenheit mit dem Heiligen Leben (Schüler, Lehrerpflichten & Mitgefühl) in relation with duties of disciple and teacher.

It's not good when one performs such question and answer session, thinking "I am smart and will help", especially when not really smart and not really a giver yet. Better here to see it as a training for oneself.

Also in cases when asking, and others tell things one might know, one should not think "why does he tell me that, I know. Does he think I am a fool?", like it happens here also. Sometimes things are said that others might find borderlands. Does wanderer gus see and understand this aspect here?

Nurishing by questiin and answer sessions keeps not only vital but alive. If people think that they could google if wishing to understand, if people at large think that they can come from outer lands to Noble Domain without Nissaya and going into dependency, without Sangha, then this Dhamma-Vinaya has died. The Dhamma-gotschi has been gone and no more field of merits to access over this borderlands is a avaliable in this world.
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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2018, 11:32:39 AM »
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Asking a question that I currently don't need but for the benefit of future new comers or other members.
Even Arahat cross-question each others, to increase their own skills and to perform a borderland for others.
Yes, totally.

That was what I did in some of my posts.
But there is a disadvantage of it.
I had to get called as patriot, metta trader, household-domain-questioner, asura,  ..etc.

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Re: Is it allowed, welcome to ask on behave of others?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2018, 11:43:45 AM »
Oh you poor mistreaded wanderer... you break the heart of everyone  ^-^

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Also in cases when asking, and others tell things one might know, one should not think "why does he tell me that, I know. Does he think I am a fool?", like it happens here also. Sometimes things are said that others might find borderlands. Does wanderer gus see and understand this aspect here?

How should my person ever write as fast his mind changes from kusala to akusala to defused...
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Johann

October 12, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see Nyom Norum.
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
Maybe of support for lasting satifaction: Seeds of Becoming .
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
When ever love arises, dislike will be it's end. Who ever seeks out for friends, will get his enemy. Why? Because not willing to leave home. May wanderer gus find the way to never return. Mudita

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:58 AM
Vandami.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:38:22 AM
Nevertheless my courage of active participation  has been fallen down. Anyway I hope to come time to time.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam khamata me bhante.

gus

October 07, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Okasa bhante,

I didn't accepted Dymitros invitation to start a Theravada forum, because I thought this forum is pure Theravada. Now I regret about it, yet think this forum is comparatively good.  I learnt many valuable things from you and grateful to you. Nevertheless my courage of active partici
 

Johann

October 07, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
What ever one searches for, that he/she will find. Less are those seeing the nature of combined thing, leaving home and go beyond Maras domain.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
When one is born in outer regions ... your island has drifted away.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
macchariya, a boarder hard to cross to the middle way, abounding home, sakayaditthi, doubt and rituals.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
However much one say, West is West, East is East.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Where ever there is east, there is west. And vici versa. Where ever there is nama, there is rupa. Where ever one seeks for a home, there he will suffer.

gus

October 06, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
West is West

gus

October 06, 2018, 09:56:42 AM
belief of kamma, gratitude, independence, honesty, devotion : These are hard to find in people
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Again, a latin proverb mit be useful: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi , patisota is always harmful if not just one own defilements or having a proper stand to help. Sota is the virtue required to resist in borderlands.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 05:41:52 AM
If in a borderland it's better to simply serve and support the Sangha. It's not smart to seek for other householders to nurish on traced imperfections of something required to uphold, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Okasa, happy to hear such things reagarding kamma. Many monks I have met don't directly speak about kamma because they have been tired after practicing some years and now bit relaxed.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM
Such can be total kusala and total akusala or simply defuse. Set your mind right and be mindful, that nothing will be of harm for yourself and others.
 

Johann

October 06, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
There is nothing not permitted. Merits or demerits are the actors responsibility. One is full in charge of ones action in this Domain here, wanderer gus.

gus

October 06, 2018, 03:50:00 AM
Bhante, is it permitted to ask questions or post things on behalf of other/future people ?

gus

October 05, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
We have been advised like this:
"No matter however much monks reject you,
Never leave the place."
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's good when wanderer gus takes a rest, turns to a lonly place, enjoys the merits done and find a good place for his mind and fixes possible open wholes when clear where he likes to go some hours later.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
Wanderer Gus knows how foolish this statement is. That is not the way to get out of a hole.

gus

October 05, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
okasa,
falling down from a status is suffering.
So, if I could stay in the hell-being status from the beginning, then no suffering.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
From a state of a young Bhikkhu equal tradition...to householder... ...asura (now) on the border to animal, peta, hell-state. It can go quick if not having firm nissaya.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
Aniccam vatta samsara...

gus

October 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Evolution:
Bhante subhuti =>
Upasaka gus =>
Deva gus =>
Asura gus.

In the future:
Asura gus =>
Peta gus =>
Animal gus =>
Hell-being gus ???

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:51:42 AM
Okasa, I think bhante thinks me as a patriot because of some content of my posts. But it is not.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 05, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
What ever one likes to, not touched like the moon, does not mean to praise what is blameworthy and vici-versa and to have metta not to let people run into hell if ways can be pointed out. Yet other choices at least are their. Be quick, your island drifts away!

gus

October 05, 2018, 05:34:15 AM
Okasa,
As long as I don't do exactly what you say, I think I'll not be able to make you happy or satisfied.
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
If thinking that this is for sure, if delighting in believing that connected things are a refuge and give space to rest: one may do so. Ones own choice. When ever one stops to nurish inwardly, ouwardly path and fruits die. Good as well as bad.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM
If bhante didn't let the weak person to live in avatar/deva mode, then he will lose both openness and connection. Up to now I have secured at least the connection.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Yet I appreciate and pay vandana for your care and advice on openness.
Vandami.

gus

October 04, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Please forgive me  bhante if I have made you tired. I don't like to accumulate akusala by making a monk tired in expecting a naughty chicken to be a good duck.
Okasa dwarattayena katam sabbam accayam Khamtu me bhante!
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Differnt asked "why is Bhante not happy, dwell not in outwardly seeming being not touched?" Because it would not only confirm and show sign of aggreement of unwise acts, but also very incompassionate and cruel. Also place for suspecting corrupt ways and invite others to follow the comfortable dwelli
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
No one is able to make my person angry, which does not mean that he would not appear angry so to possible prevent from doing what is not conductive for liberation, even lead in lower states. Nothing to worry, but also no invitation to test it foolish since it could hurt one self and others.

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:46:39 AM
Okasa bhante, Isn't there at least single way to stay anonymous without making you angry?
Vandami.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
corr: "it's, the domain of the Noble Ones, is nobody's personal domain" there are no wards around fields for merits and no tickets to pay
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
What ever Deva gus feels inspired. It's oneones personal domain and all giving is good in the distance of the brigh cool moon. One should not fear, should not be shy to do what is good and praised by the wise but be quick!

gus

October 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
Bhante, is that mean you don't like me to talk about higher subjects and like to talk about basics only?
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
It would be more than good if teaching others a lot on the topic vandami (paying respect) and khamatu (asking for forgiviness) since unknown and not practiced here around this field of merits in compassion to former relatives, Deva gus.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
...total no problem to dwell and lay down in the cool shadow to heal at all and no need to ask for pardon when intended for progressing and to get fit for the battles so hard to win.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
But they would not feed them in ways which might look as nurishing relations for wordly sake directly, for people not understanding would think "look, he is herding, carry for his cattle, he wasts the gift of the land, the heritage of the Gems for his becoming and own gain. Understood? Total no prob
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Never would people of integrity send away pets, petas or sick, for they are not able to change for now but possible can gain of what they need to change.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
If, just to think about, one lives deliberatly with sign showing a rejection of firm trust in kamma, one lives in nurishing the danger of falling into grave wrong views and give ways that others follow what is improper to do. Just to reflect. How ever wishing to do.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
What ever one does, holds as refuge or abounds, either good or bad refuge, one does for one self. Ones own choices, ones own fruits, ones own limitations, hindrences.

gus

October 04, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
Khamatu me bhante!
My previous  post was this.
"Please forgive me and give birth to kindness ao as to let me live here anonymous "
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:21:35 AM
... doing so based on gratitude without just trading in giving, or out of duty in a relation one resits, one is able to get not only to the borders, but into Noble ones domain.
 

Johann

October 04, 2018, 09:19:27 AM
And to put much into such sacrifies of giving ones honor, ones dwelling, ones source of food (family), one possession (even intelectual), the Dhamma one has made his own

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